Braveheart v gladiator

bassy

Only one winnerrrr for me and it's gladiator...,.

Opinions ready and FCA boys inclucded lol

bassy

The best movie for me was gladiator I should have of course made that more obvious from the title :D

blade1

Apocalypto wipes the floor with both of them imo.

Gladiator. One of the best ever, though I watched Braveheart again last year and it was really good.

sydthebeat

Not quite sure why they are comparable...

Where's the cross over?

ancapailldorcha

Gladiator. I can only enjoy Braveheart if I treat is as a fantasy vehicle for Mel Gibson's hatred of the English.

orourkeda1

Indiana Jones would batter all of these films.

Gusser09

Are you not entertained

Greyfox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120077359#Comment_120077359

Both films belong in the best film ever discussion. I feel they are comparable because they are both very very emotionally powerful and both have an amazing performance from the main actor and both have great battle scenes with swords. I slightly prefer Braveheart as even though I really like English people when I left the cinema back in the day I genuinely felt like I wanted to attack and kill English people with a sword

Greyfox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120077418#Comment_120077418

Gibson has admitted its not very accurate but if it was accurate it would be a much weaker film

Housefree

Braveheart by a good margin

walshb

I never got into Gladiator. Braveheart far more engaging.

Mister Vain

Both films are very good. I prefer Braveheart, its more gritty and has better battle scenes.

BorneTobyWilde

The Shawshank Redemption was more liberating than both

The Continental Op

Must ask my son as he watched Braveheart at school at the age of 8 :-(

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120078002#Comment_120078002

Neither film comes anywhere near a best film list.

Everlong1

Gladiator hands down for me although I do like Braveheart. Braveheart is pretty much a vehicle for Mel Gibson whereas with Gladiator you get Russell Crowe, `Joaquin Phoenix, Oliver Reed, Richard Harris and Derek Jacobi.

SuperBowserWorld

Braveheart was memorable. Maybe cause it was shot in Ireland etc etc etc.

I can't remember Gladiator at all. Maybe 'cause I saw it on the small screen. Or maybe because Russel Crowe.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120078369#Comment_120078369

in what class?

The Continental Op

Can't remember he might have been younger. Every Wednesday the kids would bring in a video and the whole school would watch it in the afternoon in the main hall of a small country school. The teachers would then disappear into the staff room. So one day when a kid turned up with Braveheart it was stuck in the video player and the teacher went off to the staffroom.

I'm sure things have changed that must have been 20 years ago. He doesn't seem to have been damaged too much by it.

Montage of Feck

Decent big budget historical epics are rare these days so I'll take what I can get without prejudice. Both are fantastic films.

Riddle101

Braveheart. I like medieval war films and Braveheart is one of the best.

Love this scene with Patrick McGoohan as Longshanks.

https://youtu.be/XSoG7m1V6aw

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120078008#Comment_120078008

It's not just not very accurate, it's borderline insulting if you know anything at all about English history. It's about as historical as The Lord of the Rings.

joe40

Gladiator for me hands down, the opening battle scene was awesome, and the music was class.

I would imagine historical accuracy wasn't high on the agenda for either film.

Thelonious Monk

The new Gladiator is Paul Mescal appaz. Russell and Mel would both bate him in a fight I'd reckon, at least when they are younger. Fair play to Paul though, massive role.

Mister Vain

It's a tad inaccurate alright. They didn't have cars in those days.

bodhrandude

'The trouble with Scotland is, its full of Scots.' Patrick McGoohan as Long Shanks is brilliant, Gladiator is too long for me. Didn't like the inaccuracy of the instruments, uilleann pipes are not war pipes. You only hear the highland pipes during the mooning session on the battlefield. Rob Roy with Liam Neeson was another one that came out at the same time. Probably the same companies who tried to outdo each other with their volcano films: Volcano and Dantes Peak and the asteroid ones as in Deep Impact and Armageddon.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120078695#Comment_120078695

Gladiator has a few bloopers also, i think there is a plane in one shot and when the chariot crashes in the colosseum fight you can see a gas tank. Also Maximus says to “unleash hell” at the opening battle, the Romams wouldn’t have called it hell.

SuperBowserWorld

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120078834#Comment_120078834

Yep, I find that funny. It happens a lot . Twin films !

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_films

Hyperbollix

Gladiator for me. It achieved a similar emotional punch as Braveheart without resorting to a contrived love story and really ridiculous romantic device about Mel bedding a French princess.

It's crazy to me that Gladiator is never high up in the best films of all time list. It's pure snobbery. It ticks every box as far as what constitutes a great film. Great directing. Great cinematography. A fantastic plot that while wasn't historically accurate was very true to the setting of Ancient Rome.

Casting and performances pitch perfect across the board. Epic and memorable soundtrack. Apart from one or two gaffes, incredible CGI and visual effects which really sold it to the audience but importantly, combined with plenty of physical effects and stuntwork which meant it was always very believable. The first battle scene is still probably the best reenactment of Roman battle tactics committed to film.

Mister Vain

Armageddon or Deep Impact?

BaywatchHQ

Braveheart although I haven't seen it in over 5 years. I only watched Gladiator for the first time last year, it was ok but not as good as people have made it out to be. I grew up listening to people talk about how great it was. I have the Canadian edition Blu Ray with slipcover.

I often have thought that the Nine Years war in Ireland would have made a good film with the flight of the earls, etc. It wouldn't have been made because that is very closely tied to modern Northern Ireland as that is where the clans were from. I doubt they could make it now as it would stir up things in a fragile society.

blade1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120079042#Comment_120079042

Oasis or Blur?

Mister Vain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120079088#Comment_120079088

Blur. I mean Oasis. Oasis.

Electric Gypsy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120078454#Comment_120078454

My favourite film - that would be in that list of films that one is allowed to consider one of the best - would be 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest''. However, another one of my favourite films is one that wouldn't really be allowed to say is the best, is 'Matchstick Men'... which is also directed by the same director as Gladiator, Ridley Scott!

Greyfox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120078648#Comment_120078648

Nothing insulting about a piece of entertainment, if you want accuracy watch a documentary. Both films give 10/10 entertainment value which is their main job. Sure English people aren't all that great when it comes to knowing their history anyway.

Montage of Feck

Braveheart is as historically accurate as it needs to be. Historically the English, since the Norman takeover, have been pricks when it came to foreign affairs.

Riddle101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120078834#Comment_120078834

Also, Mission to Mars and Red Planet were two other movies that came out around the same time that was kind've like twins.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120079196#Comment_120079196

There's inaccurate and there's Gibson's unnerving loathing of the English and his appropriation of William Wallace into some Mary Sue type character. It's not his only offence on that score either.

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120079042#Comment_120079042

The core.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120079064#Comment_120079064

Also the behavior of the O’Donnels, O’Neils and local Kinsale chieftains in 1601 wouldn’t paint the Irish in a great light. The book Hell or some worse place is worth checking out.

cj maxx

I'm after watching Braveheart. Grand but no In The Name of the Father . After watching that I would have killed an English person.

bassy

Grow up you fools, history is in the past and who cares today only another form racists :

Immaculata

Both fantastic films but Braveheart for me.

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120079352#Comment_120079352

Just like Lincoln for which Daniel Day-Lewis got his third Oscar and Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter

blade1

Tombstone or Wyatt Earp?

Easy. Tombstone!

bassy

unforgiven or tombstone?

easyyyyyyyyy: unforgiven.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120079196#Comment_120079196

It was really shte to the Scottish who were not Wallace. He was just as much the aristocracy as the "bad" Scottish lords and it completely fuks over DeBruce who was probably way more the real leader than Wallace.

On the original question I love both movies but Braveheart is quite camp and silly whereas I think Gladiator is an all time classic. It's one of the few actually original movies in my life (not sequel remake or hyped up) where from the first time I saw the trailer I was blown away.

Both are great movies and both worth watching. It doesn't matter which is better really because in the end we are all just ashes and dust.

rossie1977

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120077980#Comment_120077980

Indy doesn't even need to be in Raiders and nothing changes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120078454#Comment_120078454

It's opinion based but pretty much every best movie list has Gladiator in top 30-40. The score, the casting, special effects are all fantastic. Wonderful performances from Crowe, Reed, Phoenix and Hounsou.

Every big budget fantasy tv show and movie that came after from LOTR to GOT borrowed heavily from Gladiator.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120083367#Comment_120083367

To be fair to Braveheart, it probably influenced Gladiator. I seem to remember Braveheart and Saving Private Ryan setting the scene for realistic, violent battle scenes at the time.

AllForIt

I'm not a big fan of either of them, I don't remember much of Braveheart and thought Gladiator was a bit of a turkey of a movie at the time although the score by Hanz Zimmer is very very good so that would give it the edge for me.