Nvidia RTX Discussion

4070ti announced with an official msrp of $799 🤦🤣

I would say around €930 to €950 but wouldn't be surprised if there was Aib version for €1200.

Does anyone think the 4080 will drop in price any time soon? Based on today’s launch, it makes the 4080 more appealing IMO. Which is messed up considering everything is overpriced.

Agreed. My head is genuinely melted in regards to picking a new GPU. Anytime I look at the 4080 and I just wonder would be better saving up for a 4090 if you going to spend that type of money. It’s a vicious circle.

Germany prices for the 4080 and 4090 AIB cards are about 1.15 and 1.25x the US $ FE MSRP respectively, but I'm hoping that since the 4080 isn't selling as well as the 4090, 1.15x is where it's at and so €900 might be achievable.

On a cost per mm2 of die basis, the $800 4070Ti is priced similarly to the 4090, with the 4080 being the real outlier. Given that fault stats and geometry makes larger dies more expensive, the 4090 cost per mm2 really ought to represent the upper bound of pricing.

A 190mm2 4060(Ti?) might be $500/€600, which seems about "right" given that the 3060Ti launched at $400.

All the 3080/90 variants had die sizes larger than the 4090, which makes the 4080 pricing look particularly egregious with its relatively small die (62% of the 4090). 4080 pricing was a failed experiment.

I'd really like to see the 4070Ti with a smaller cooler. Makes no sense to have a 4090 sized cooler on a half sized die with half the memory.

Ramble over.

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/nvidia-rtx-4080-selling-poorly-as-market-prices-soar-over-msrp-most-expensive-nv-gpu-in-terms-of-die-area/

Thanks for the tip, picked up one through the UK Nvidia site (which is fulfilled by Scan). Now I just have to find a way to make it fit. 😀

(then will be flogging my 3080 10GB for sensible money).

I was battling with the same thoughts, was hoping 4080 would come down, no sign of it happening so it ending with me buying a 4090 from OCUK. Price was a good deal at the time, if anything 4090 related can be considered a good deal! Kfa2 card for £100 above msrp of the FE card but still quite a bit cheaper than I could get any 4090 from Germany for. Bought ex vat and I paid Irish vat here on import.

I got the card, a vertical bracket for my case and a 12vhpwr cable for my PSU for less than the cost of the 4090 itself from Germany.

Fortunately there are like minded idiots who have modded their way to success. 😀

https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/yuek9p/4090_fe_inside_an_nzxt_h1/

https://www.reddit.com/r/NZXT/comments/1016wzq/h1_v2_fit_rtx_40804090/

Reviewers seem to be united in absolutely slating the 4070ti as the worst of a bad lot of over-priced borderline-scam releases from both camps for this generation.

Unfortunately, this will only stop when mugs stop paying the overinflated prices in the first place. Since they won't, nothing is going to return to normal and Nvidia & AMD will continue down this path.

I'm not sure I agree that buyers are holding up prices. There are plenty of people that abstained from the 30 series, and that included a period where they couldn't leave their houses. The 30 series pricing was held up by mining. GPU sales are currently in recession despite the product being much better than the 30 series in terms of raw grunt and efficiency.

Nvidia would have been quite consistent with price/performance on the 40 series with a $950 4070Ti. The 80 and 90 cards offer 125% and 165% of the performance of the 4070Ti.

Nvidia predicted that they would be supply constrained and so it made sense to extract maximum margin from fewer sales. That has doubly backfired as there's now ample fab capacity and less demand due to cost of living inflation.

With foresight Nvidia should have bailed out their partners holding overpriced 30 series stock, lowered pricing on the 40 series and sold bucketloads of cards at lower margins. Same gross profits, happy customers, happy partners, greater future profits from larger customer base (rather than PC gamers disappearing to become laptop+console users).

At this point I think NVidia should just kill its partner model. It is perfectly able to finance R&D on cooling and packaging, and would gain agility in responding to market demand.

In short, imagine a market where NVidia acts more like Sony. Simpler consumer product offering of a few tiers between $300 and $1200 and max out the volumes. It shouldn't be necessary to watch hours of YouTube reviews to pick a damn GPU.

Unrelatedly, I hope Nvidia keeps pushing performance and efficiency at the high end. A 4090 is the only thing that can run high end VR (e.g. Varjo Aero and above) and I want to see that tech continue to develop.

The thought of Nvidia having an even greater monopoly and level of freedom to do whatever they want is not a pleasant thought tbh. If it wasn't for my social gaming circle being on PC I think I'd nearly switch to a console and steam deck fully with the way things are.

The 4090 sold out on what was a reasonable stock run for a halo product. Xtx was selling reasonably until the cooler situation raised its head.

To me, the point would be that at these insane prices the number of units sold on all the cards should be 0. Gamers should flat out reject them. But even with weaker sales, they are still getting buyers, even above MSRP in some cases.

Right now on mindfactory in Germany you can pick up a 4090, 4080, 4070ti, 7800xtx/xt. Thats in comparison to the last 3 years, where you would get nothing unless you were hunting for it or willing to pay two times MSRP.

The cards are not selling, even the 4090's. The founders/reference cards still sell, for the same reasons EVGA bailed on the market but the rest are sitting on shelves at this point.

So I'm a 4090 pleb and after all the crap when they came out with the power connection I'm being super cautious. I got a dedicated 12vhpwr cable for it but still have to ben d it in the case. What do you guys think of this bend? I know the issue mainly seemed to be with adapters not being fully seated, my cable is 100% seated properly, just not sure if bending them is an issue or not. I got a vertical GPU riser cable mount for it but it doesn't really suit, GPU sits on the ram and I'd have to remove some bottom fans to fit the mount properly so would rather go the normal way.