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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    I searched for the good news on the hospital numbers down

    Couldn't find anything

    Seems rte only interested in the bad news ,loads of articles on china



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,275 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Edit. Deleted.

    Post edited by normanoffside on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,347 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Just to play devils advocate, I went to the rte news website and clicked on World news and Ireland news(both attached) and not one story about Covid. Seriously, there is no headlines positive or negative about it. One secondary story about French airport and China arrivals but it’s a thumbnail.




  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    I think that was the posters point. Yesterday there was significant drops in hospital numbers and no news stories.

    But I just clicked rte and the top story I see is "HSE says all resources being used amid surge in respiratory illness".


    It's not even COVID. They're just overwhelmed due to incompetence in the whole sector.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭jimmybobbyschweiz


    It really seems like the biggest issue here is that it is a particularly bad flu season and COVID is not actually the big driver of an overwhelmed health service.

    In fact, I strongly question whether COVID is causing many issues at all or if this is just flu season and it happens that COVID tests are being done to identify COVID.

    Post edited by jimmybobbyschweiz on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭jimmybobbyschweiz


    Oh, the irony is so sweet. The doomers in an open society (Sweden) claim they lived in an authoritarian state as a result of not being able to spread a message against the State approach to the pandemic..


    Those most energetically attacked, in public and in the media, were those arguing for masks and lockdowns. In February 2021, Swedish public radio devoted a 20-minute report to a private Facebook group challenging the state pandemic narrative, run by Ireland-born Swedish resident Keith Begg. His 200-member group was presented on the radio as clandestine organisation threatening national security.

    For Begg, from Limerick, the report, and a hostile response of threatening messages, the experience was “like something from an authoritarian state”.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Ehhhhhhh.....I'm in Ireland and don't take the news stories as covid being the problem....

    They seem more focused on giving an overall message that the health service is rightly fooked, for a number of reasons.RSV the last few weeks and now flu - bit of covid on top of that...the message is mainly stay out of A&E rather than everything being about covid.

    We all know covid is everywhere but being honest right now so is strep throat, vomiting bugs and RSV in kids, so it's just another thing on the list really



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭jimmybobbyschweiz


    My point is that I think COVID is incidental to the other, far more serious illnesses that are clogging up the health system. Test for it and you find it, otherwise it will be labelled the flu.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,718 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    They test for flu and have done so since before covid.

    You are just making stuff up.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,347 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    But every single reported news story on the overcrowding of Emergency Departments has been very specific about the list of illnesses causing the overcrowding such as RSV virus, regular flu and Covid being right at the bottom. Attached is this report


    And with regards to your point about hospital numbers decreasing but no reports on this, well that’s not true. Here is report on rte news https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/1231/1344300-covid-19-ireland/



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  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Haha, that's funny how they run a story about a "slight" decrease in hospital numbers and mention 3 but didn't do a story the day before when there was a large decrease.

    Wonder why didn't do a headline saying hospitals down by over 10%?


    Guess it doesn't generate clicks to let people know that everything is grand.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    I suppose I am comparing to the last 2 years where it was wall to wall covid and nothing else.The headline now is an improvement on that, nothing like the last 2 years.

    Course it would be nice to have no medical headlines, but that would mean that the health system was functioning, which would be too much to hope for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,347 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    I agree with you. I don’t look at any media updates at all and couldn’t tell you on a week to week basis any information about the numbers. Out of curiosity I decided to look. I think it’s a pick and mix regarding what is considered to be newsworthy. But it’s better if what is there is accurately commented. It doesn’t take away from the basis of peoples points but it also means that people don’t disregard that point because of incorrect information on the media agenda.



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ICU down again to 25 and just a small increase in overall hospital numbers at a time when there are no discharges.

    I think that ICU figure is like 75% down on this time last year.


    If hospitals are busy, it's certainly not because of COVID.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,313 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    I had it for the first time back in October, three people that I know had it for the first time in December. All are fine, but it is interesting that it is still getting people who hadn't had it up to now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,415 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    They could well have had it asymptomatically before.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,313 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Oh completely, but it does seem a bit of a coincidence that all three of them had had it asymptomatically at some stage over the past two years, then all get it over Christmas this year at roughly the same time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Spiderman0081


    This statement is correct now and was also equally correct all of 2020, 2021 and 2022.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Seems like there's a fundamental problem here of not being able to keep non-serious cases out of the hospital's.

    Shortage of GPs and them referring non urgent cases on to a+e

    The out of hours services have been mothballed and are relatively useless anyhow .



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I see another article on the independent today about the hospital crisis and they mention COVID rising...

    That's actually factually incorrect. The numbers in hospital with COVID are a fraction of what they were last year and decreasing.


    It's just their own incompetence now. A good starting point might be asking GPs not to close down for 10 days for Christmas holidays.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    It's mad really that flu and COVID are grinding the hospitals to a halt

    It just shouldn't be happening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭quokula


    Flu has overwhelmed hospitals regularly in winter since long before covid appeared. This year there's a worse than average dose going around, along with covid and strep and others adding to the pressure so it's hardly surprising. And as much as people like to scream about HSE incompetence, the exact same thing is currently happening in the UK, France, Germany and most other countries you might look up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Spiderman0081


    One thing is for sure, these disastrous situations have absolutely nothing to do with the repercussions of lockdowns. No way, not a chance!



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Our health service is teetering on an edge in the middle of the summer.

    Now it is just plain overwhelmed and unable to cope.

    Sure, the same problem is happening in other countries, but most of their health systems work for the other 11 months of the year.

    Perfect storm it may be but it still doesn't excuse the state of our health service, for the amount of money put into it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    Really not sure why anyone is surprised or anyone is not clear on what is going on here.

    We lock down society for 2 plus years, wfh, masks, social distancing etc etc and go nuts over one respiratory bug.

    Human immune systems only work efficently with constant exposure to bugs, bacteria, colds, rsv, flu etc etc. Let your kids play in the muck and dirt and cough over other kids and be coughed on....and guess what it builds their immune system. Adults no different.

    We are simply seeing a population wide reduction in immunity due to our reaction to Covid.

    And guess what we now have an overflow of rsv, flu, scarlet fever and got knows what else.

    We caused this........anyone with the smallest shred of intelligence could have forseen this yet here we are........



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,596 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,718 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Kids weren't in a sealed bubble the last few years. They were in schools and creches, not all the time, but they were being exposed to bacteria and viruses. RSV and colds were circulating before this winter. There were the back to school sniffles in 2021.

    Flu wasn't circulating but that was as much to do with what was happening elsewhere in the world as here. Many people got flu vaccines which would count as 'exposure'.

    And whatever protection remains year on year from flu, cold, RSV must be quite limited given you can be re-infected in the next season.

    Infection with Covid may actually impair your immune system, not build it.

    Why was Strep A so bad in 2017?


    Post edited by odyssey06 on

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Great post and so true. We see it through our own children. They catch everything in the first few years of their lives before their immune system develops and learns to fight.

    I would much prefer to occasionally get sick and fight it off than try to avoid it for several years only to get wiped out by a bad dose with a weakened immune system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Varadkar said the same thing today

    Presumably this is why masks mandates are not coming back plus they're a distraction from the uptake of jabs

    "The Taoiseach said there were three viruses circulating – Covid, influenza and RSV – and immunity was not as strong due to previous Covid measures."


    That's one good thing about varadkar he's not a complete clown and calls it like it is not like these unions calling for masks when all it will do is perpetuate the problem.

    Makes them look like idiots with their pseudoscience

    Post edited by kirk. on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,415 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    FG said they would end the trolley crisis in 2007 so Leo calling it unacceptable in 2022 is complete hypocrisy.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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