AMD Navi Discussion

Gary kk · 02-01-2023 4:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120055942#Comment_120055942

It would but its still a defective card as its sold.

Cuddlesworth · 02-01-2023 4:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120051935#Comment_120051935

It makes some sense and you can see it happening. Engineer specs a 4mm to 2mm internal diameter restriction on the return with a +/- 10% tolerance. Then it turns out the cards close to the upper end of the tolerance see the problem but others don't. Fluid dynamics software didn't pick up on it and it wasn't picked up in testing because its done on a vertical mount not horizontal. Then when it is reported, it takes weeks for it to filter up to the correct people because every step along the support process is designed to not fix problems. This is all made up by the way but you can see it happening when you work in large companies.

If he's correct, its probably going to cost AMD and to make matters worse graphics cards are just not selling right now. So having a generation with a recall/design flaw against it hits hard.

My only issue with his diagnosis is why removing the shroud and using a thermal camera wouldn't pick up a heat pipe problem, especially when you have a working/not working sample.

wotzgoingon · 02-01-2023 4:50pm

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Gary kk · 02-01-2023 11:26pm

Ah you were been sarcastic. Sorry I missed it

wotzgoingon · 02-01-2023 11:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120057986#Comment_120057986

No, I had a load of shít written and you cannot delete posts anymore so you have to leave a few dots since the new site upgrade.

Gary kk · 03-01-2023 1:38am

Ah crap that's annoying

Icyseanfitz · 03-01-2023 3:09am

How are the 7900xt cards holding up? Are they suffering the same design flaws as the xtx? About the only GPU bar the discounted 6950s that are tempting me to move from a 1080ti.

Saying that the 7900xt is still overpriced, wonder will they cut the price anytime soon.

Lumen · 03-01-2023 8:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120058434#Comment_120058434

Staying with the XTX issue, is it just AMD reference cards affected or partner cards too? I got the impression it was reference cards only. Do (any/some/all) partner cards use the same vapour chamber as the reference cards?

HardwareUnboxed just did a review of the Gigabyte XTX cards and didn't report any overheating. Impressive performance (better than 4080) in the games I care about like MWII (apols for tiny text, this is from about 12 mins in).

Slutmonkey57b · 03-01-2023 10:31am

I like hardware unboxed, they're the only people who break out performance comparisons like this in a readable graph.

Icyseanfitz · 03-01-2023 10:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120058524#Comment_120058524

Hopefully it's just a reference issue, I see there's stock for both the xt and xtx on Amazon for the xtx Merc 310 variants, the price on the xt is actually cheaper than reference which is lovely but my god the 300+ gap to the xtx is hard to swallow.

I can just about justify the xt as I'd get 200 from cex for my 1080ti and so keep cost under 1k.

AlmightyCushion · 03-01-2023 11:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120058767#Comment_120058767

Don't sell your 1080ti to Cex for that. Sell it to someone on here or adverts for the same or similar money. I know it is a bit more hassle but at least you will give someone on here a decent upgrade for the price.

_CreeD_ · 03-01-2023 12:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120058524#Comment_120058524

Aye but Debauer showed card orientation during the test matters and HW Unboxed are down under... O_o

I'll just get my coat on the way out

Cuddlesworth · 03-01-2023 2:00pm

Debauer said it was the reference card/cooler which does effect AIB's but usually the "cheapest" ones.

Gary kk · 04-01-2023 11:39am

Seemly it was a lack of water in vapour chambers not the design. Debauer again

Icyseanfitz · 05-01-2023 2:14pm

Debating getting an aib 7900xtx, once I've sold my current gpu I can get it down closeish to the 1k mark which is what I choose to limit myself to.

My issue is which card to get, I can get an xfx Merc 310 for 1350 on Amazon, but the others (red devil, gigabyte, nitro etc) are all coming in at around 1500 on overclockers when accounting for 23% vat. Are they worth spending more, or is the xfx a good card.

Slutmonkey57b · 05-01-2023 7:48pm

XFX are building the "AMD" reference model with the problematic vapour chamber, so take that for what is worth I suppose

Icyseanfitz · 05-01-2023 8:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120070539#Comment_120070539

is it just the xfx cards giving trouble? (are they building all reference cards for all manufacturers?) or is it all reference cards?

Slutmonkey57b · 06-01-2023 12:11am

They built the AMD branded reference cards. I believe that other oems may have reused parts of the reference design but whether that includes the vapour chamber or just the board I'm not sure.

Icyseanfitz · 06-01-2023 12:55pm

I wonder would a 6800xt red devil (can be got at around 700) be a nice upgrade over my old 1080ti @ 1440p ultrawide, the thought of spending over 1k for either of the 7900 or 40xx cards is not sitting right, suppose the 4070ti is probably a better buy even though that price makes me even sicker 😔

Slutmonkey57b · 06-01-2023 1:22pm

I don't even think you'd need to go that high. A 6700 would do for most people at 1440p.

Does the game get better if you spent an extra 200 quid to make it 15% shinier? Fallout 3 looks like **** but it's still a great game.

Icyseanfitz · 06-01-2023 1:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120073407#Comment_120073407

I wonder what the 6700 xt/6750 xt performs like at 1440p in comparison to a 1080ti. If it's at or greater than 50% increase I'd definitely consider it. Would leave a bit if money to upgrade my old Intel 6700k

Slutmonkey57b · 06-01-2023 1:43pm

Looks to be about that.

Bear in mind you will also get a substantial boost from a processor upgrade. So upgrading to a 12th gen + Intel or a ryzen 5600 will give you a better performing system overall when you're not gaming.

https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/amd-radeon-rx-6700-xt-vs-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti/intel-core-i9-10900k-vs-intel-core-i7-7700k-4-20ghz

Icyseanfitz · 06-01-2023 2:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120073510#Comment_120073510

That's my thinking really, instead of spending stupid money on a gpu get a whole system upgrade with a reasonable (if that's even possible anymore) GPU, if I was to go something future proof would am4 be the best option? 7600x a good cpu?

was looking at 6900 xt's for the craic, priced at €900 and far above, why would anyone buy that, same situation for the 3080 really

Slutmonkey57b · 06-01-2023 3:25pm

If you are not the sort of person who upgrades every year or two, then don't worry about "future proofing".

Your options are:

intel 12600 or 13600, or AMD 5600/5700,either is a good buy and ddr4 is cheap.

Amd 7700, which needs ddr5 memory (not cheap) and the Am5 motherboards aren't cheap either. I'd almost wait for an 7600x3d if I was considering am5 though.

minitrue · 06-01-2023 3:36pm

Unless I'm being dumb that link says 19% average at 1440p and that's with the cpu change. Apples to apples with a 12900k they say 106 for the 1080ti, 125 for the 6700xt, 181 for a 6800xt and 192 for a 3090 (my guess at the best reasonable but maybe slightly conservative proxy for the 4070ti and 7900xt). I wouldn't take their numbers as gospel but bang per buck (ignoring ray tracing anyway) the 6800xt for €700 strikes me as the best choice if you aren't happy with your 1080ti and don't care about RT, DLSS3, media encoders or anything else which might try and convince you to splurge on the latest cards.

For a 7600X you meant AM5 not AM4 and yes the 7600x is fine for gaming and if you really want to throwmoney at future proofing I'd certainly go with AM5. Ignoring future proofing though the difference between a 7600X and 5600 with board and ram is so wide now though that if you are trying to talk yourself down from a 4070ti/7900xt to a 6800xt then you should probably talk yourself down to the value platform also ;)

The non-X and X3D AM5 chips were announced yesterday but no 7600X3D. Clocks are "interesting" for the X3D cpus and no prices for them yet either.

If you can get a 6800xt for €700 you can probably get a 5600, B550 board, 16GB ram and 6800xt for around the same price as a 7900xt/4070ti. They don't have a 5600 on that comparison site only a 5600X but that's a very small difference so they say (on ultra) you would get 94 now, 104 with just the 5600X change, 150 with just the 6800xt change and 177 if you do both.

https://www.gpucheck.com/en-usd/compare-multi/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-vs-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-vs-amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt-vs-amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt/intel-core-i7-6700k-4-00ghz-vs-amd-ryzen-5-5600x-vs-intel-core-i7-6700k-4-00ghz-vs-amd-ryzen-5-5600x/ultra-vs-ultra-vs-ultra-vs-ultra

Drop to high and it's 149, 163, 221 and 254.

https://www.gpucheck.com/en-usd/compare-multi/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-vs-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-vs-amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt-vs-amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt/intel-core-i7-6700k-4-00ghz-vs-amd-ryzen-5-5600x-vs-intel-core-i7-6700k-4-00ghz-vs-amd-ryzen-5-5600x/high-vs-high-vs-high-vs-high

Slutmonkey57b · 06-01-2023 3:59pm

Always remember it varies game to game as well. If may be the case that you get 50% in one game and actually lose in another.

Cuddlesworth · 09-01-2023 1:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120073510#Comment_120073510

If your not gaming, a 6 year old mid spec system is overkill for most things.

K.O.Kiki · 21-01-2023 5:44pm

So in a move that anyone with a brain could've predicted, AMD cards were NOT breaking due to a defective driver.

It's probably because they were power washed before sale.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yVmetm1RwAM

wotzgoingon · 14-02-2023 4:47pm

Well I just bought the Red Devil 7900 XTX from Amazon. Just have to wait for it to arrive now. I was hovering the mouse over the buy button for a while and just said in the end f**k it and just bought it.

Icyseanfitz · 14-02-2023 5:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120240321#Comment_120240321

Congratulations, if I had the disposable right now I would have as well, great price for a top level 7900xtx.

I know the xfx Merc 110 can be got for €1200, hopefully prices for these keep coming down.

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