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What are the biggest “what ifs” in Irish sports?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,587 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,466 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    What if Eamonn Couglan had been at his best in the olympics surrounding his world championship win in Helsinki?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭micar


    What if the Meath goal vs Louth in the 2010 Leinster Final was disallowed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,675 ✭✭✭BK5


    What if Barry McGuigan hadn't been miss- managed and didn't fight in the Las Vegas midday sun over 15 rounds against Stevie Cruz. Think they even ran out of water during this fight? And he was leading going into the last round.

    McGuigan had a good career but he couldn't have gone down as an all time great if as the champ this fight was organised on his terms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭crossman47


    If Cork had beaten Kilkenny for three in a row in 2006, would that Kilkenny team have set all those records? Would Cody have resigned?

    In horse racing, if Flyingbolt had not come along at the same time as Arkle, would he now be spoken about in similar terms?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,997 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    100% this - we will never know what would have happened and how far we would have gone - and given how low the Irish football team has fallen now, wonder or if it will ever happen again.

    He seams to like the World cup now, given how much he was on the box in Qatar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,997 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    or if Clarke (I think) made that tackle in '91 against Australia , ther would be no rugby World cup semi final hoodoo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭chosen1


    The biggest what if for me is what it the GAA hadn't taken off in this country? Would most promising young athletes in field sports be playing soccer like they do in most other countries? How many all stars in GAA would be Irish internationals and could we actually compete against the best in football tournaments if it didn't exist?

    I respect that we have our own cultural identity in Ireland and do enjoy the odd Gaelic or hurling game, but the average person here has serious unrealistic expectations of our international teams prospects when we have GAA dominating and nabbing the best sports people in large swaths of the country. The same could be said for rugby in a few small pockets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Ireland had moved up a significant step from 1990 for the euro 92 campaign. We were far superior in that moment than during the 94 World Cup , the Poland game in 91 was a performance that warranted Bonner never playing again

    his legendary status reflects both the power of media to create myth and casual fair weather fans to buy into said myth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    That 1-1 draw with England in Wembley in the 92 qualifiers was the best Irish performance I ever saw live , we were really good that time



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Manc-Red_


    With Keane in 2002 we could have won the World Cup. No joke

    Better Born Lucky Than Rich.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    We performed above expectation , we quite possibly wouldn’t have done any better with him there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Manc-Red_


    Possibly the word there. No so sure anyone with knowledge of football would agree though.

    Better Born Lucky Than Rich.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,596 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    My thoughts on Keane at the 92 WC is he was the one player everything would have went through so if teams marked him tight would be have had a plan B. Would we have got to the Spain match.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,687 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    He admits he ran a terrible 1500m in 1976 and went into the race in a bad frame of mind. He certainly should have medalled that day anyway (arguably he didn't cope well with the pressure of being fancied).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭daithi7


    Thanks Speak Now,

    I'm not certain now that I've looked up his profile on Wikipedia etc. I see he went out twice in first round in the breaststroke 100m in Seoul & Barcelona. (4th on both occasions)

    I remember reading some years later, that all those who had placed ahead of him were subsequently caught for using PEDs. So I presume that was in 88 at Seoul, but I couldn't swear to it. Good spot!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,582 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    What if Dublin GAA received the same funding as the other counties for the past 20 years, would they have won anything?

    Could have made the final but Brazil were on a different level to everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,134 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    What if Seamus Darby hadn't come on as a sub in the '82 All Ireland football final?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,991 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What do you mean "the other counties" they all get different amounts.

    As for soccer the great "what if" is what if John Delaney never got the top job. We will be paying for that on and off the pitch for years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    No we wouldn't have, we were an average team at best with Keane, and the rest of the squad performed above themselves in Keane's absence. At best we might have got past Spain, but, there's no way we would have gotten past South Korea in the next round, both Italy and Spain were screwed over against South Korea, with a lot of very dogey decisions going South Korea's way, there's no way we would have been allowed win against them.



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    We would probably end up like somewhere like Denmark.

    Decent enough at soccer, qualify regularly but rearly compete for titles (their 1992 win wascan outlier).

    We would not be like NZ with rugby simply because even without the GAA rugby would still be well behind soccer when it came to interest, participation etc.

    Whereas in NZ it is the undisputed number one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,954 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Irish sport is full of we were robbed/what ifs, many of which are pretty tenuous. Saipan, Thierry Henry, Tommy Byrne. One that hasn't been mentioned here is Michael Schumacher being given his F1 debut by Jordan F1 in 1991. His great performance resulted in him being swiftly snapped up by another team with more money. Had he stayed with Jordan, their 1992 car was such a heap of crap that he wouldn't have been able to do anything with it. It might have damaged or at least delayed his career rather than being a positive thing for Jordan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    New Zealand are also winners of numerous Olympic medals unlike us who have a pitiful amount of medals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,991 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Olympics are all about money. You invest you win.

    We have only just announced the future building of our first velodrome and modern athletics tracks are very thin on the ground. Those 2 facilities along with swimming pools can yield multiple medals from 1 investment do to the nature of the sports.

    One positive"what if" in the future should be Sports Campus Ireland. Many what ifs stem from the fact we never had something like that before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,476 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Why wouldn’t Dublin receive the most funding ?

    they have more clubs, more teams then any other counties aside from Cork.

    Why don’t Cork get more ? Who knows.

    but to suggest that Dublin should get the same funding as say Waterford ? Shows a misunderstanding of the purpose of funding.

    should the University Hospital in Waterford get the same funding as The Mater in Dublin…? No :) the Mater has 719 beds and 19 operating theatres..

    University hospital in Waterford has 429 beds and 8 operating theatres… same principle applies in the GAA…

    funding is comparative to the needs and demands of the sports in each county.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,107 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Shirley your last sentence should read “funding depends on whether that constituency has a sitting minister”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,991 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The money some football fans complain about is GAA money not government.

    And don't call him Shirley 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,808 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    There was a program on RTÉ recently and it showed what would have happened. Ireland would have got to the final and faced Brazil in Yokohama, they go 1 up in first half but Ronaldo equalised in 2nd. The game ends 1-1, no goals in extra time and it’s a penalty shootout. Roy takes irelands last pen and the score is 5-4 Brazil so he needs to score, unfortunately his shot hits off top of crossbar and Ireland lose. Brazil win the World Cup.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Many much poorer countries than Ireland have plenty of medals, Hungary is one



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