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So is 'war porn' a thing now?

  • 20-12-2022 5:51pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭


    Just a random thread for a random thought I had. But The Sun YouTube channel keeps uploading drone videos etc of the Ukraine war (once you click one of them... always in your feed eh) but it's a bit strange when you step back and look at it.

    People are dying in these videos and all the comments are like "great!" (Pretty much) ... now I am no soft touch. This is war this is what happens. That's life. Its just the videos are very popular. So is war porn a thing now? Lol.

    People enjoy seeing some other poor fu*k get killed?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,387 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It's just a general thing where video exists. It will make the TV news often, when if there was no video, it would never be considered worthy of inclusion in the radio news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,604 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Its just News.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,903 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    sex sells, and war is very sexy!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    100% it is. There are a few addicts on Boards too.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,257 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    This has been around for years. The only change is the sheer amount of material available now.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,171 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    if you're old enough to remember the gulf war, it's nothing new. a war made for TV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    It 100% is, especially amongst 'the Sun' clientele.

    They seem very happy to have found people (Russians) whose deaths can be officially and without impunity cheered on together with the vilest insults. Plenty of that type around here too. Just have a look at all those couch toy soldiers in the Russia thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,604 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    As soon as Cameras were invented they took them to war.

    The only thing new is being offended about everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,401 ✭✭✭thomil


    I think it's a mixture of things and I doubt that feeling "joy" about seeing a human die is part of it, at least for the vast majority of viewers or commenters on that type of content.

    For one thing, the Ukraine war in particular is probably the most "open-source" war in history. Up until just a few years ago, most information that got out about a war was highly curated or censored by both sides, with things like gun camera footage from aircraft or tank sights only released sparingly and often years after the fact. Nowadays, were living in an age that is a paradise for OSINT (Open-Source Intelligence), with soldiers often having their smartphones with them even in battle. Recording and uploading a video takes only a couple of seconds, and with both sides in the conflict operating militarized civilian drones, mostly from DJI, which are controlled by smartphones, this is probably very tempting especially if the drone operator manages a particularly noteworthy bomb drop (through the branches of a tree into the open hatch of an APC underneath, for example). That goes beyond just "combat footage", by the way. People tend to record anything that's out of the ordinary, which leads to military convoys having their progress documented often in real time.

    It goes even beyond that. Newspapers, and even individuals, have access to resources that would have made any general green with envy even as recently as the early 2000s: Flight & ship tracking websites like marinetraffic.com or flightradar24.com can allow remarkable insight into aircraft and ship movements, whilst anyone can get a satellite image of any part of the world that is at most a few days old (weather permitting) using websites like Sentinel Hub. I only have a superficial interest in OSINT, and even for me, the amount of information available is dizzying.

    Secondly, a lot of social media users these days grew up around the likes of Battlefield, Call of Duty, ArmA or strategy game like World in Conflict or even the old Command & Conquer series. Gamers of my generation also likely experienced the first wave of "hardcore" military simulators from the late 1990s that simulated things like the F-16 or Eurofighter with such a level of depth that you'd wonder why the ministries of defense in many countries didn't raise hell with the developers. For a lot of these people, seeing their FPS games, sims and strategy games play out in real life is undoubtedly fascinating. I'll be honest, for me, this is definitely the case, as horrifying as the human and humanitarian toll of this senseless war is.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    It is enjoyable to a degree, especially watching scum like the Russians get arms and legs separated from their torsos. I feel absolutely nothing for them so doesn't bother me in the slightest.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,256 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    I was imagining a young Famke Janssen lookalike semi-clad in army uniform getting a good rogering inside a T72

    A trench outside Kyiv with a few youngwans bent over a large wooden post and a queue of soldiers puffing away on their fags as they await their turn

    An orgy taking place in the back of an army truck with strategically placed ammo boxes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,421 ✭✭✭✭Rikand




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,203 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Open-Source Intelligence


    That sounds like a contradiction in terms 😂

    I get what you mean though and your interest in the subject, but I think what the OP is referring to are the kind of people who enjoy the opportunity to dehumanise human beings and enjoy watching their “enemies” suffer.

    It’s not new, and calling it ‘war porn’ is a euphemism for the fact that it is nothing more than propaganda, no different than “open source citizen journalism”, that goes back as far as recorded history - once humans can be stripped of their humanity, that makes it acceptable to regard them as though they’re not human, which makes it acceptable to derive a certain satisfaction in their suffering and still feel righteous about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,257 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I understand your anti Russian sentiment but the above makes you sound like a sociopath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    We did see have a post on another thread showing a Russian soldier getting head from another Russian soldier on his knees before a Ukrainan drone dropped a grenade on them,

    War porn ???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,461 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    I just watch the videos of Ukrainians killing Russians, have no interest in the videos of Russians killing Ukrainians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,089 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Even before that, many armies had dedicated war artists, sending back sketches and paintings from the battlefield.

    With the advent of film, they soon tired out trying to keep up with drawing explosions at 25 frames a second in real time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,387 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The tradition of the war artists is alive and well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I had anticipated something different when I saw the title. How disappointing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭j2


    It's so crazy how so many libs with Ukrainian flags and LGBT stuff all over their social media etc are bloodthirsty creeps once they get carte blanche to do so. It's almost as if all their moral superiority is absolute bullsh1t and they're awful human beings.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    oops meant to save draft but was actually in a send post window. wrong thread too ffs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭mulbot


    It's almost comedic to watch the "Mercenaries", A. K. A. Video gamers, head over to fight with Nazi supporters, only to realise that its not a game and that artillery shell whistling through the air is about to take your head off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    To be fair they are getting paid relatively well by the Russians to die in their droves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Ekerot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    You obviously haven't looked at any Russian accounts,

    But no surprise there comrade



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Doing a stellar job against the poor unfortunate souls the Russians sent to fight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Unfortunate Russians? I thought they were all subhuman "Orcs"? If you are going to dehumanise, please be consistent.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,482 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You are so right

    The Ukranians should just ask the Russians politely to return home.












    🙄

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,515 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    The Sun.

    That's where you went wrong. Right there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,542 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's been a thing for quite a while. It was around during Vietnam and it was absolutely obnoxious during the Iraq War. But there's definitely been a rise in chickenhawk attitudes with the war in the Ukraine. There are people who love what's going on over there, simply because it gives them something to do and say on social media.

    Just take a look at the train wreck threads in here for example. People talking crap about a region in Europe that they couldn't even point to on a map this time last year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    They are Russian invaders, they deserve to die.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,155 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    Clicked here for vajayjays and boobies. Pfft.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,184 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Hey Rambo, there’s nothing stopping you going over there and doing it yourself .... off you go and let us know how you get on.

    Pics mandatory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    Sorry I offended you petal, I didn't realise stating an opinion on the topic is apparently now the same as saying I'd love to go over and blow them up myself 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,482 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato




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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Humans have never been different. They just pretend to be empathetic so they can tell themselves that they are superior.



  • Registered Users Posts: 367 ✭✭OneLungDavy


    War always need to be simplified into Good vs Evil for simple minds. The nuance of understanding there's a real human in each soldier is way too hard to comprehend for many people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    This war allows passive Irish people to indulge extremes of xenophilia, xenophobia and "Red Scare" panic simultaneously.

    They get to cheer handsome white men like Zelensky while also indulging anti-white hatred against Russians and (part of) European culture.

    So it hits a lot of buttons (deniably) that don't get hit otherwise and that give a lot of pleasure.

    I think its a spiritual mistake to indulge in orgasmic delight over killing.

    Tarantino has marketed this experience by making his movie villians rapists, Nazis, violent slave-owners etc. and then killing them horribly in crowd-pleasing climaxes.



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  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    One of the American guys was watching them over beers and it was pretty horrible how happy it made him seeing Russian soldiers getting blown up. There was even a Ukrainian at the table who thought it was way over the top. Same guy think every American action abroad is right and correct and the soldiers are heroes.

    It'd be like watching videos of British soldiers getting blown up and thinking it's socially acceptable to take neverending bliss and amusement from it, in public. It's psychotic.

    The double standards are remarkable. Everyone in the West is so good at separating themselves from their governments' actions, whom they actually vote for in free and fair elections, but the citizens and soldiers of countries that don't vote in free and fair elections "deserve to die" for their governments' actions.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah..

    It really is quite scary at times when you see the sentiments expressed in the Russian thread..

    And the maddest thing is it has been encouraged by the mods..Anyone not into fawning over **** NAZIS!!! or sharing their tweets showing a tank blown up or whatever is banned pretty much immediately..

    Here's the leader of the Mozart PMC giving his thoughts on Ukraine after a few months there..


    It's all quite disturbing..I actually think it's an evolution of the mass formation psychosis that formed during covid..It was seen as acceptable to turn on the unvaccinated then in a way that people wouldn't have before then..

    When all this kicked off then they were just given a new target..

    It's fairly mad to see how it's happened though..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,728 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Seems a fair few pro Putin posters who were kicked from the Russia thread are airing faux outrage here.

    I can understand how those Vids would be a morale boost to the Ukrainian armed forces. David can defeat Goliath.

    No one wants death. No one wants bodies in the ground, but Russia invaded, raped, tortured, occupied another sovereign nation.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Of course people want death. The people masturbating over these videos obviously want it.

    It's frankly rather absurd to feel like you're viewed as being on the wrong side because you think people taking massive enjoyment out of watching people die are fuked in the head. They are. Everyone knows this.

    No one should be watching videos like that and taking pleasure, apart from maybe some Ukrainian who lost their home or something. But Irish people?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    But have people ever been different? Public spectacles of violence and death have always been popular with the masses. The difference is that technology now brings the supply directly to the end user.

    I think the the lack of neutrality is a new low though, at least it’s the lost obvious one I have seen so far. A very strange development



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    You think this is new?

    Do you think German soldiers were humanised in WW2? Do you not think their deaths were celebrated?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    400000 people are estimated to have met their maker in the colloseum



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    How simple for you to come into this thread and call people that don't like bloodlust as pro Putin. So simple. The Russian thread is full of warped people - my hope is that most of them are young and immature and the excitement of war has them all worked up...but I am not so sure. Most of them knew zero about Ukraine earlier this year. Now they fight orcs for her every day on their keyboards.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,515 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Keyboard warriors who wouldn't know what war was if it bit them on the arse, and should be eternally grateful they will never have to know what it is like to be in one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,728 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Well yeah, it's relatively simple to post a message, sure even you can manage it. Nothing simple like those pro Kremlin apologists telling Ukrainians to roll over and take it. Worst kind of people.

    As for bloodlust, nothing wrong with not feeling sorry when mass murdering pillaging rapists are stopped in their tracks.

    Those war videos and footages will be used for decades to come and will features in documentaries.


    War is murder. It's horrible. It's disgusting. But Russia started this and they must and will be beaten back.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Grand, don't let me interrupt your war erections so and I hope you get all the death and misery footage you covet. Don't let the groupthink ever end either.

    Oh I see you added another line after I replied to add some balance...nice

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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