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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,266 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm actually lost for words and have no idea what you are even trying to achieve here...

    It was literally called Level 5 lockdown.

    We were in it during Oct/Nov 2020.

    We went back to it in Jan 2021. It was June before the likes of cinema's and gyms were even open.

    Pubs were late July with restrictions still in place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,266 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    If we went "back" to it, as you say, we must have left it at some point.

    Not my fault you keep contradicting your own posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    This is starting to remind me of the infamous “there are no restrictions as long as you don’t do the things that are restricted” guy. Good times…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,275 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    There were police checkpoints at the airport and inside the airport and you would be fined €2000? If they deemed your travel non essential. If you flew into the country you would be forced to pay €2000 to stay in a prison hotel for 2 weeks. Not a lockdown though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,723 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    We were not in Level 5 lockdown for the first 6 months of 2021.

    'Restrictions' in place on pubs is not a lockdown, unless you use an absurd definition of lockdown to mean any restriction.

    I asked you to define what was a lockdown, you failed to do so.

    It's pretty obvious you made a false claim re: severe lockdown for 6 months which has been thoroughly discredited. Now you engage in vague use of language and shifting of goalposts between lockdown and restrictions. You can't keep your story straight.

    According to this definition, we were in lockdown for 4 months in the period in question, until 12th April 2021 when stay at home restrictions were lifted.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_lockdowns

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm actually lost for words and can't believe how you are still trying to argue this...

    Retail only opened on May 17th.

    Cinemas and gyms etc didn't open until June.

    Restaurants and pubs was late July and still had restrictions.


    Youre making a show of yourself at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭Be right back


    What is the point in looking back? What's done, is done and can't be changed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,723 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    And what?

    Nobody's disputing those dates for those particular sectors.

    You keep stating this and that opened on such and such a date, all the while vaguely implying that meant we were still in lockdown.

    What we're challenging is your vague use of any kind of restriction to call a lockdown.

    You were asked to define a lockdown. I provided wikipedia definition of lockdowns showing Ireland exited lockdown on April 12th 2021.

    Gyms shut is not a lockdown. Cinemas shut is not a lockdown. Vague mention of 'Restrictions' on pubs until July is not a lockdown.

    You have repeatedly made false claims on the thread that Ireland was in severe lockdown for the first 6 months of 2021, then you shifted the goalposts to 'lockdown', without ever defining what that meant. This further claim is also false, based on the definition of lockdown as per wiki.

    But a poster who challenges your false claim is "making a show of themselves"? Obvious attempt at bluster to make up for the absence of truth in your claims.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    20221202_112737.png

    More restrictions eased in china



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,266 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    Well certainly each to their own in terms of what they feel is essential to their wellbeing and mental health.

    But I seriously doubt the cinema being closed made anyone feel they were being oppressed worse than people in a police state, who were literally locked up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,266 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It could be argued there is some value in learning from the past. But IMO this mostly isn't that.

    I would suggest its bordering on obsessive and irrational behavior, not being able to move on, or adjust to changing situation. Which I assume why it so often lacks any context of the wider issues or timeline. I don't think its solely about COVID or Lockdown either. Its across a wide variety of topics and issues, you see the same behavior from the same people.

    At the same time I wouldn't dismiss people issues. Its obviously triggering them. Even if I disagree with them. Sometimes its the straw on the camels back for whatever reason. Likely they've been impacted financially disproportionally.



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You seem to be suggesting that lockdown ended when we lifted the 5km travel ban.

    Hardly any other country in the world EVER had a travel ban in place.

    So I guess we are one of the only countries in the world that locked down?


    Of course, you are completely wrong and wiki is not a source.

    Try the definition as per the Collins Dictionary. Collins Definition of a lockdown: the imposition of stringent restrictions on travel, social interaction, and access to public spaces.


    You are wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,723 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Wiki is a source which I provided. We are still waiting on your definition of a lockdown, in relation to exact measures after multiple times of asking - but we can be sure it will be whatever suits your present argument. We can argue the meaning if the word 'stringent' and 'lockdown' until the cows come home.

    But really, we don't need to. Because every time you are cornered into a specific point, it is shown to be false.

    You have claimed "Hardly any other country in the country ever had a travel ban in place."

    Please provide a source for this claim.

    Because based on your recent posts here, I think it can be safely asserted you are making baseless false claims again.

    More examples could be provided, but this is sufficient to demonstrate you are making stuff up again.

    This is the UK:

    This is France:

    Spain:

    On 29 March, it was announced that, beginning the following day, all non-essential workers were ordered to remain at home for the next 14 days.


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    People need to account for their actions, especially when those actions involved suppressed the civil liberties of an entire country, and we need to ensure that history doesn't repeat itself.

    It's good to keep the madness fresh in the collective conscience so that people can see how foolish and judgemental they were during "the covid"... #forusall and all that rubbish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,266 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    Never mentioned China. I just don't see cinema's not being open as extreme daily hardship. Obviously you do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,266 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    Irish "lockdown" and travel restrictions is like calling a sieve a bucket. and likewise doesn't hold water.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,997 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Even with the "easing", the rules are still pretty ridiculous. But now they wont let you die on the street if you don't have a negative pcr test. They'll still lock you up against your will if you test positive though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,946 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Of all the personality types on this thread that one was among the best, top 5 for sure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,266 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Well isn't that argument. I'm not going to die or get seriously ill. So the precautions and lockdown are irrelevant to me. So I'll ignore them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,266 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    AFAIK (and I'm open to correction) they didn't prioritize older people. They prioritized workers. They don't want anything to effect output. So they don't want it sweeping through factories etc. But Ironically what they've done has had a greater impact on output.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    “Not being able to move on” says one of the most prolific posters on the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,266 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Well it was either this of the cinema.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭PeadarCo


    Thats a good description of what Irish lockdown restrictions turned into over time.

    The biggest problem with Irish lockdowns at times the rules for the various different restrictions were at best incoherent and at times unenforceable for various different reasons.

    While lockdowns and restrictions were definitely required however they were at times contradictory and make no sense. Over time they lost public support and a substantial and increasing portion of the population just stopped obeying them. The gardai aren't and weren't big enough and times not empowerd enough to fully enforce them.

    The thing that needs to learnt most from Irelands experience is what we're the post effective and enforceable restrictions. The China, Australia, New Zealand methods are a non runner for various different legal, economic and geographic reasons. While I appreciate at the time they couldn't wait months to test and study every option. Post pandemic the various rules need to be studied as part of an academic review to inform future crisis responses.

    It's also important to remember depending on your job and lifestyle everyone's life was impacted very differently by the different levels of restrictions. For some people restrictions resulted in minimal impact and for others their life was put on told for the guts of 18 months. That's going to impact a person's view of the restrictions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 703 ✭✭✭US3


    More children under 12 have died of Strep A in the UK this week than from Covid in almost 3 years. Why aren't they closing schools ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,723 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Why do you think they aren't closing schools?

    Covid affected all age groups, in much higher numbers of severe cases, hospitalisations and deaths. As a bacterial infection, Strep A is much more treatable.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,422 ✭✭✭✭fits


    We are just over strep. I had put it down as something viral so didn’t go see doctor straight away. I could have gone sooner in retrospect but this happened before it was in news. One child developed scarlet fever but everyone recovered very quickly when we got penicillin.


    Main thing is that parents are aware and get seen asap.

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Sitting here with strep throat myself.Well aquainted with it though, have had it multiple times throughout my childhood and life.Getting to the doctor tomorrow for an antibiotic tomorrow.

    Those are all the reasons why they aren't closing schools.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Just got a text saying I've been in close contact with someone who has a variant

    What's that all about now or how would they even know



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,748 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Fairly sure it's a scam, is there a link attached?



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