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  • #46352
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,266 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119927274#Comment_119927274

    That's how news has always worked. It's not unique to RTE or COVID.



  • #46353
    kirk.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119927378#Comment_119927378

    Your posts are just stating the obvious and shutting down debate


    This is a discussion forum , I'm discussing their COVID section and what I think of it



  • #46354
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,266 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119927407#Comment_119927407

    Disagreeing with you is not shutting anything down.

    You've had to go specifically to rte for news which is recent events, then COVID, which is recent events related to COVID. But are complaining it's filtering on exactly what your filtering on. It's not the main feeds, it's not in the app at all. You have to go looking for it.

    The premise that they are scare mongering makes no sense.



  • #46355
    one armed dwarf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    I don't even see how it can be seen as scare mongering anyway. China's zero covid posture is highly unusual at this point, with pretty much every other country having moved on by now. Also protests of this nature are even more unusual in an authoritarian country like China, who's got a well known history of fairly grievous response to these kinds of protests. Why is this not newsworthy?

    Some people still seem to have the brain worms about any kind of covid news that it's purely about making covid seem scary and are unable to read anything with a holistic perspective, that's not the point of the coverage of these protests at all, afaic.



  • #46356
    thebronze14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭thebronze14


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119927274#Comment_119927274

    Disagree. I think it would be of interest to people. Defo interesting to see the madness that is continuing there. If it were ignored by RTE people would be complaining that they are ignoring what was going on there now after oversaturation of coverage here for so long



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  • #46357
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    China are proving what anti restrictions posters said all along. Lockdown is only an expensive way to kick the can down the road. What is their actual strategy in the long term? Lockdown forever?

    Lockdown until the economy is destroyed? Lockdown until the country is anarchy and nobody is actually locked down anymore?


    The best thing that happened in the western world is we lost complete control of the situation and in the process realised that maybe the situation wasn't that bad anyways.

    And look at us now walking around maskless and not caring about COVID.



  • #46358
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,723 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119932623#Comment_119932623

    We didnt lose control. And thats not what anti restrictions people were saying all along. We limited the spread with restrictions until we had vaccines, better treatments, and also the virus itself changed when we opened up fully.

    The anti restrictions posters wanted us to open up before any of that had happened... before we were down the road and ready.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #46359
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119932643#Comment_119932643

    We had over 25K cases a day. I'd love to know your definition of control and limiting the spread ha.

    Anti restrictions posters did say all along that zero COVID was nonsense.



  • #46360
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Restrictions were nonsense, zero-covid was lunacy.

    Now EU politicians are berating the Chinese saying take our vaccines they got us out of it.

    Now, the Chinese certainly are way down the rabbit hole. To the point where this spectacular failure could lead to much bigger issues for them. But they don't need some EU eejits telling them nonsense.

    I've been there. I lived through it like we all did. The vaccines didnt get us out of this. They didnt stop the pandemic. They didnt stop the spread. They didnt stop you from getting it and they didnt stop you from passing it on. We had record numbers with a nearly fully vaccinated country. In fact looking across countries/regions the higher the vaccination rates the higher the covid rates. What remains is the claim that they stop, eh no, statistically reduce severe illness. Maybe they do. There are people with severe covid on their 4th or 5th booster.

    So let's not try to rewrite history. What stopped the pandemic was the thing petering out into more harmless strains. Only for that we'd still be looking at closed pub doors from under our masks, vaccines or not. Our restriction lovers were still trying to talk omicron or whatever it was called into a great white shark when it was nearly over.



  • #46361
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,723 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119932655#Comment_119932655

    And when did we have those cases?

    In a population with better protection from severe covid via vaccines and previous exposure? And a time when the virus mutated to more infectious and less severe? And hospitals had better treatments?

    And are you unable to think of a number higher than 25000?

    Utterly disingenuous post.

    You said what was happening in China showed lockdown was wrong.

    Now when challenged you shift to talk of zero covid... you cant keep your story straight.

    It wasnt just anti restrictions people saying zero covid was impractical.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • #46362
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭walus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119932791#Comment_119932791

    Chinese don’t want or need vaccines. IFR of omicron is something like 0.02%. The fact that they have locked down again is purely down to a political decision.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #46363
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119932795#Comment_119932795

    Winter 2020 we also had thousands of cases a day when we had less testing capacity. We never had control of the spread.

    The idea that closing the middle section in Lidl, making people pay 9 euro for a meal in a bar, closing gyms etc had any impact at all is laughable.

    The best thing that happened for most people was catching COVID and realising how mild it is.

    It got too hard for governments to justify restrictions when we had 20K cases a day and hospitals were grand.



  • #46364
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,829 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933343#Comment_119933343

    FYP

    Catching COVID after vaccination, reducing the chance of hospitalisation and serious illness by over 90%



  • #46365
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,723 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933343#Comment_119933343

    Strawman argument. You are just demonstrating you are incapable of thinking of a number higher than 25,000.

    First it was 25,000 cases. Now it is the vague 'thousands of cases'.

    They weren't the only restrictions that were in place were they? So are you critical only of those or all restrictions? So why not say that? But no, you just keep it vague in a deliberate strategy to avoid being refuted and debunked.

    Look at how you are shifting the goalposts away from my original post to which you haven't been able to counter its main points.

    We didnt lose control. And thats not what anti restrictions people were saying all along. We limited the spread with restrictions until we had vaccines, better treatments, and also the virus itself changed when we opened up fully. The anti restrictions posters wanted us to open up before any of that had happened... before we were down the road and ready.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #46366
    antodeco
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,706 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    The infections rate of this is bizarre. I've had it a few days, line very dark.


    My partner and her child, all negative (although they were unwell).

    My son got it, asymptomatic.

    Daughter negative.

    Their mam and her partner, both negative. So out of 7 people who were around each other for a few days, only 2 people got it, and 1 (my son) is asymptomatic and only positive for 2 days



  • #46367
    kirk.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    20221201_114521.png

    China relaxing restrictions according to RTE



  • #46368
    mjsc1970
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 775 ✭✭✭mjsc1970


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119943451#Comment_119943451

    As the effects of actually passing this on to someone else seem to be rather banal, and most are vaccinated, and we're not clogging up Intensive Care, I don't really see the point of self isolation for the duration anymore. Maybe staying away from indoor crowded spaces / public transport would be the extent of it?



  • #46369
    antodeco
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,706 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Unfortunately I think that is how I got it. Only people I was near was on the bus, and there were lots of coughing on the bus. I probably did myself a disservice by actually testing (as oppose to what most others seem to do, and just put it down to a cold).



  • #46370
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,266 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933343#Comment_119933343

    Winter 2020 we lifted restrictions for Xmas.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/hospital-numbers-covid-11-january-2021-5321678-Jan2021/



  • #46371
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119946373#Comment_119946373

    We didn't.

    We briefly dropped to level 3 restrictions and permitted inter county travel for 7 days over the Christmas period.

    Then went straight back to severe lockdown for another 6 months.



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  • #46372
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,266 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    That IS dropping restrictions.

    Cause and effect.



  • #46373
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,266 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    ... And they started lifting here...

    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/81029-government-announces-phased-easing-of-public-health-restrictions/?referrer=http://www.gov.ie/en/publication/c4876-covid-19-resilience-and-recovery-2021-the-path-ahead/



  • #46374
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,723 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119946405#Comment_119946405

    Please provide a source for your claim we were in a 'severe lockdown' for first 6 months in 2021.

    And what is a severe lockdown v a lockdown.

    Because it appears you are just making stuff up.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #46375
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119946553#Comment_119946553

    Lol! Google it

    We had a 5km travel restriction in place all the way into April!!!

    Construction was forced to close.

    Are you actually trying to deny that we were in lockdown?



  • #46376
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119946544#Comment_119946544

    Oh brilliant, so after 4 months we were "allowed" move within our own county.



  • #46377
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,266 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119946651#Comment_119946651

    So your own admission not 6 months then.



  • #46378
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119946688#Comment_119946688

    The absolute heavy restriction was slightly eased in April.

    Retail didn't open until late May.

    Cinemas, gyms etc until June

    So yes 6 months of lockdown. And 8 out of 9 months of you include Oct/Nov 2020.



  • #46379
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,266 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    So not a heavy/severe lockdown for 6 months.



  • #46380
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    The semantics here are unbelievable. Light lockdown, severe lockdown, whatever spin you put on it, people were denied their basic freedoms and liberties for the best part of a year in 2021. Yet, despite the impending avalanche of late/missed diagnoses, screenings etc., some are still on here defending this policy. Beggars belief.



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  • #46381
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,266 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    How long was it then since you still have to wear a mask in a hospital or medical setting. ...

    Post edited by Flinty997 on


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