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When does somebody become a proper "gangster" in Ireland ?

  • 10-12-2022 2:51pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭


    In Ireland you don't become a proper "gangster" until you get your name in the Sunday World.

    Once a criminal gets their name in the Sunday World they can then start acting the Hardman and start saying to people "Do you know who I am ? I was in the Sunday World you better not mess with me pal".

    You have to hand it to the Sunday World they are great at bigging up non entities in the Irish criminal world.

    The Sunday World would have you believe that the junkie you see doing small drug deals at the side of the road is actually the new Pablo Escobar.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,017 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    You need a proper nickname too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭Star Bingo


    When you get a ballyclava and a luis vuitton manbag. Then you’re gansta g



  • Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭Big Gerry



    I'm going to call my self "The Boss" AKA "The Peoples Criminal*"


    *registered trademark



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  • Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭Big Gerry


    Another thing has anyone else noticed there now seems to be a lot less "celebrity criminals" in Ireland than there was back in the 80s and 90s ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    I was going to say when the tabloid press starts referring to them using a stupid nickname, but actually most of the fellas with the nicknames these days are non-entities. The likes of The General pulled off some pretty impressive heists.



  • Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭Big Gerry



    Do you remember back in the 90s when the "little general" appeared on the scene ?

    I was expecting big things from that fella but he was no martin cahill.



  • Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭Big Gerry



    Without the Sunday World how would normal people know what was going on in the criminal world ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    I suppose an international aspect would be one key criteria.

    Even cross border would do, that still qualifies, but is frowned up for the lack the snazziness.

    Covering your face with a folded newspaper to avoid the camera should be one of those small regular annoyances that you have to contend with. Thats the 'taking out the bins' of the gangster.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,339 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    You're officially a gangster when CAB start knocking on your door.



  • Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭Big Gerry



    I remember a few years ago CAB investigated a notorious "gangster" who was on the dole and hadn't got a pot to piss in based on a Sunday World "exclusive".

    It must be hilarious getting investigated by CAB when you have no money or assets.

    If that was me I would be saying to CAB can you tell me where my alleged "millions" are because I need the cash.



  • Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭Big Gerry



    The thing is modern gangland crime all revolves around drugs were as back in the day you could glamorise "Ordinary Decent Criminals" who just robbed banks and didn't murder people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭Big Gerry


    I wonder how long it will be before one of Ireland's Dumbest Criminals does an armed Robbery on one of the new cashless banks ?

    It would be some sickner to get locked up for years for trying to rob a cashless bank.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,728 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Aren't nearly all of them on the dole anyway? I doubt CAB would investigate him unless they had good reason to.



  • Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭Big Gerry



    No if someone was a proper "gangster" they would have some sort of front "business" to justify their income.

    If you are on the dole but driving a top end BMW you are going to stand out like a sore thumb so you would need to have some sort of bullshit "business" to keep CAB off your back.



  • Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭Big Gerry



    If you go back to the 50s and 60s the criminals back then were gentlemen by todays standards and all wore suits instead of tracksuits.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭Star Bingo


    People present like trash now anyways, standards are fairly down impoverished tenement kids dressed smarter back in the day. Try that now and you get peaky blinder jibes or work in Rte



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,892 ✭✭✭Be right back


    Have a relationship with your wife and her sister and the wife knows about it! Hard core.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,826 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    What always annoyed me was when papers would have pictures of these thugs looking all tough - eyes hardened and glaring at the camera - on the way in/out of court instead of putting up a pic that shows them as the cowards they are.

    If the camera shutter is flicking hundreds of times, use the image that won't embolden/enhance their ego and reputation.

    Used to drive me crazy seeing all those goons from Limerick looking like hard men on the paper, when we all know what they really are. Cowards.



  • Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭Big Gerry



    I wonder what caused modern criminals to be far more thuggish and inarticulate than old school gangsters of the past who could actually fit into mainstream society ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭Big Gerry




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,693 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Booyakasha


    Gangsta, bitches


    (Or what most of the lads trying to come across as serious on the gangland thread are like in reality)



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,396 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    We should have a Japanese style system where you have to register gang membership to ensure higher standards are being maintained.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭Big Gerry



    The gas thing is if somebody was actually a serious criminal they would want to keep a low profile and they wouldn't be going around telling everybody that they are a "gangster".



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,471 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I think they should in order to elevate their profession to include a modicum of credibility they should make an effort as regards their appropriate appearance…

    “ story bud “



  • Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭Big Gerry


    Its probably fair to say that there would be a lot less "gangsters" in Ireland or at least less people claiming to be "gangsters" if it wasn't for the Sunday World bigging people up.

    Many kids in disadvantaged areas look up to the characters in the Sunday World and see them as role models.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭Motivator


    Yep. Much like the old Gypsies in Ireland. They were seen as somewhat decent people and weren’t held in the same disregard as travellers today. I’ve actually heard this comparison mentioned a few times before by older people. As time moved on and Ireland progressed, the people and their values regressed. The so called gangsters that are around now wouldn’t have survived years ago, they wouldn’t have been allowed carry on the way they do and it’s the same with the travellers. Values and what traveller people stood for in bygone days have gone out the window .

    The mafia in cities like New York and Chicago is the exact same. Generations of crime families operated with what basically can be described as class. The mafia nowadays are seen as a bit of a joke and they no longer hold the same power or authority as they did for so many decades.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭Big Gerry




    Apparently the old Italian Mafia in America had a line they wouldn't cross and that was not to get involved in the drugs business.

    Murder is OK but just don't sell drugs.

    I'm not sure how that makes sense on any level.

    The gangsters back then must have been very socially responsible people who only did crime to help the poor.



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