Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

The article is wrong, it's not "100metres". It's 300metres up a hill. Big difference there.

It's as simple as this - international best practice for bus spacing is 400m but North Strand gets 600m which is 50% higher than guidelines.

The average bus spacing in Dublin is currently 300m. Can you imagine how many upset residents there would be if DCC decided, without consultation or justification, to remove HALF of all bus stops in Dublin?

So then, I take it you support removing HALF of all bus stops in Dublin? Like literally half of them.

Cause the same logic applies to the broader network as to the residents of North Strand.

It's an extra 300m, stop saying 100m which is false.

You realize that gyms are not just for young fit people in their 20s and 30s? The elderly, visually impaired, deaf, wheelchair users etc etc are allowed to use gyms? Are you suggesting these sorts of people should have to get a taxi if they want to use a gym?

The answer to that should have been to reposition all stops and leave a spacing of 300-500m. Instead they just removed a stop and leave random spacing of 200-600m.

This decision was made in August 2022 and was done without consultation. They've made a total mess of the bus locations along the C2CC route and residents are entirely justified and don't deserve to be ridiculed.

It is the argument.

If the residents of North Strand are expected to accept a 600m bus spacing, then the rest of city should be as well. This would result in half the stops being removed.

Perhaps all the leafy desirable post codes should maintain a 300m spacing, while we remove half the stops from the inner city and disadvantaged areas?

The long and short of this is that DCC have made a balls of the bus stop placement. It stinks of a last minute job made by someone who's never been to Fairview or North Strand.

Some of the bus stop removals are 100% justified. Others are absolutely not. The extremely poor, or non existent, process on this has consequences for the entire city when other corridors are upgraded.

I'd like to think we can all agree DCC have handled this very poorly?...

Well cyclists are not to blame for bus stop changes anyway.

The situation with last-minute bus stop removal isn't ideal though as it suggests the design is being modified on the fly. Who's to say that changes are not also being made to the cycle route, or the footpaths, or the water mains, or the planting/trees, or the bus lane, that we don't or won't know about until it's too late to do anything about it?

So like maybe some people will be inconvenienced a bit, old people going to the gym and old people walking further to bus stops etc. But overall it will improve public transport greatly in Dublin, and cycling too. It's for the greater good, even if it's not ideal for some. Dems the breaks.

yep, disregard the few who will be inconvenienced, and do it for the greater good. i am sick to death of everything being held up to appease a few.

Correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't the bus stop shown in the video in the first tweet there just over 200m from the entrance to Westwood? I assume it is not being removed given the works to accommodate it are done. Is the issue the stop on the other side of the road?

Stop 1739 is being removed. 1738 is retained - that's the one in those videos.

It's very close to Westwood, in fairness, and is closer to Clontarf Road Dart so I don't see a major issue with this change. However the public realm there is grim, dark and damp so hopefully they improve it substantially.

For arguments sake, there appears to be plenty of space at Westwood to accommodate stop 1739 instead of 1738. They could have just kept one lane of general traffic for another 50m...

Here's the document outlining the new stops which was published on August 30th 2022. Prior to this, all documents showed all stops remaining as they were.

I've no issue with the stop placement around the gym. The real issue here is the total lack of consultation or publication of any documents / data which justify their decision.

It's an appalling, and insulting, lack of process for such a sensitive topic.