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Who thinks Sean Quinn is a great businessman now?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭finisklin


    Dukes was appointed as chairperson of IBRC because the governemnt knew he would defend the state and ensure that the state had some recourse to all the developers and Quinn that were up to their eyeballs in debt. Ultimately Dukes would always look to protect the state.

    His political pedigree speaks for itself as a true blue FG. On the whole his reputation is honest and has put the interests of the country before him and his party (think Tallaght strategy). However, let's not forget that he also helped Michael Lowry climb the FG ranks. Plus he succeeded Lowry as minister for communications (who resigned) after he awarded the controversial mobile phone license to Denis O'Brien. There was a huge smell off that process and despite calls to revisit it, he point blank refused. Plus as chair of IBRC he was caught up in the whole siteserv mess and of the bank giving lower interest rates to O'Brien during the financing of that deal.

    For me, Dukes called it right with Quinn and had the inside track. What was telling was that IBRC had made a provision for Quinn and his family and they refused it!

    Quinn is no different than Dukes or any other politician and has the neck, lack of morals & mefeiner apporach to succeed as a TD. If Mike Lowry can top the poll in South Tipp, why wouldnt Quinn run as a TD or for Europe and put it up to them?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Would you cop on? Currently most people who heard the comment don't give a crap and come the election anyone who still bears a grudge agaisnt Dukes for saying it probably shouldn't be entitled to have a vote if that's how easily they'll choose who is worthy of it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    A lot of "ordinary citizens" whatever that means, of the border counties have been grossly offended by Dukes' remarks, and his party of which he is still a backroom dealer will pay the price.

    The fact that Dukes is part of a set that wouldn't be in high-regard by many in provincial Ireland compounds the matter.

    Boneheaded comments, and boneheaded defence of them from usual quarters.

    The fact that certain people were on a roll bringing SF into the mire (with some success I might add) in recent weeks, and now a FG stalwart back-room big beast makes the headlines about him and unacceptable commentary should give pause for thought with the brains trust.

    Will they actually pause to think? Doubtful. No matter boys, carry-on regardless. Talk about spunking momentum up against a wall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭TipsyMcStagge


    Bailing out Irish Nationwide was ridiculous as well both that and Anglo should have been allowed to go bust.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Don't deserve a vote? Charming stuff. I happened to be on WhatsApp this morning with a colleague of mine from Louth (white collar professional, father of 3, homeowner), who would be a member of a coveted demographic for FG, and not prone to fissures of emotion on anything generally.

    He was disgusted with Dukes' comments and he signed off with "typical Fine Gael".

    If people don't think a lot of "ordinary citizens" in this region aren't p*ssed off with Dukes and that it hasn't confirmed lingering thoughts they harboured about FG, then I'm afraid to say they are tin-eared political illiterates.

    Again, no-matter, FG will get their thumping at the ballot box up there, and as always, they'll have earned it with their arrogance.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,687 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    I never said he did. I wondered how he appeared to have no qualms about pontificating on rumours and gossip from his altar but didn't have the balls to resign in protest at the horrific abuse perpetrated and covered up by his fellow priests. Selective princeples I call it or as his jesuit buddies called it when found to be lying through their teeth at a judicial inquiry " mental reservation " !



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Leilani Drab Seal


    Yeah objectively speaking that was needless and would have been better left unsaid.

    A scan across twitter yesterday night and a lot of people had switched their focus off Quinn and onto that comment.

    The optics are awful and creates a real us vs them in Dublin (a mindset which already exists but the net has widened now).

    Terrible from Dukes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,687 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    "Shouldn't be entitled to have a vote" ? Which FG Cumann are you representing?



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeh the same priest surely had a slice of the 100k wedding cake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,421 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I would have liked the film to end on what the current situation is with SQ and his family.

    Is he getting some sort of allowance to live on? What income has he? Did they let him keep the family home as a small gesture?

    Do his kids get an income? I seen a piece in the indo saying they have to account for every cent on groceries. Maybe a bit of hyperbole there, but are they also being given an 'allowance?



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  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But he’s not wrong and there are a load of people looking for offence here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Between 10 and 20% of the Monaghan population are Protestant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Tell you what, walk into a place of work in Dundalk, Monaghan, Cavan and tell them violence is in their blood.

    You'll walk away unharmed, but you won't forget the response you'll get.

    Dig up.

    Like I said, carry on the choo-choo train if you wish, but Dukes' comments have been noted, and the FG party have a PR problem on their hands courtesy of a grandee and former leader.

    You don't get to tell people from the region what level offence they should take from these comments. That isn't how it works.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It did. Dukes said he believes with very good reason that the Quinns have money that they put out of reach of the irish Tax payer in India and Switzerland. And a substantial sum at that,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,954 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    That lad can barley handle children on a toy show



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,805 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    This bit was a bit mad near the end.

    Screenshot_20221201-120717.jpg Screenshot_20221201-120647.jpg

    Ignoring the slip of the tongue where he mentioned Sean quinn and the paymaster in the same sentence, is he still caught up in his own conspiracy theories that he is still making out that this is some personal crusade against Sean quinn? Because they are going after the "boys that done it" *and* the lad paying for it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,061 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Agreed, that was the mistake, saving the two reckless banks. Most of the debt can be traced back to those two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,421 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Heard that.

    But surely if the family had tens or hundreds of millions in wealth stashed in other countries , how would they manage to make use of it to live now at home?

    Are they still being monitored or are they free to move millions around Bank accounts from India to Ireland? Would that incur the possibility of more court cases?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,061 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Exactly, and it is not like the border counties are a hotbed of FG support anyway.

    FG took 4 out of 19 seats in the border constituencies of Donegal, Louth, Cavan-Monaghan and Sligo-Leitrim, and with the exception of Cavan-Monaghan where Humphries has a personal vote, they didn't manage to get above 16.6%.

    It might even gain them votes when some of the people up there look at their Quinn-like neighbours and conclude that Dukes is right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,925 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    The blind loyalty Quinn’s “supporters” have for him is bizarre. He did a great thing building up the businesses and the area but they all came so close to losing it all because of his reckless gambling.

    People like Kevin Lunney should be praised for rescuing the business and, in turn, the area.

    My money would be on Quinn bringing in the provo “heavies” to intimidate the new owners but they then went above and beyond with the kidnapping and torture. Some of his remarks on the show, such as his complete disregard of Lunney, the slip user @StupidLikeAFox pointed out, and the weird attempt to make out the priest was somehow involved all stank of hiding his own involvement.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Deluded. FG will be going to 1 TD in the region.

    You can bookmark this post, and I'll see you at GE time.

    That's some serious gear you're on where you think a party grandee can drop a massive slur on a region about a sensitive issue, and...wait for it...increase their share of the vote off the back of it. 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,061 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I can't find census figures for Monaghan, but the Cavan/Monaghan constituency had nearly 11% in the last census under Other Religion. If that is concentrated in Monaghan, the figure for Monaghan would be between 10 and 20%.

    On the other hand, some anecdotal reports put that at 7%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,061 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It isn't a slur, I linked to supporting evidence earlier in the thread. But here it is again in case you missed it:

    Pretty sure that politicians from many parties contributed to that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,061 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Never said it was, but at least 90% of it in Monaghan probably is unless there is a hidden hotbed of Jedis residing there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    What is it ? ( not many mosques in Castleblaney or Belturbert )



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Utterly deluded to suggest Alan Dukes' comments aren't a slur on the region.

    Some serious copium being consumed this afternoon.

    The pom-pom crew don't know when to take their L and admit they have a f*ck up on their hands. It's something that has marked-out the party for decades, and it's not going to change. If nothing else, it's a source of great entertainment watching people shoot themselves in the groin and trying to play it off like nothing happened.



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  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    i just find it astonishing how upset people, even supposedly grown up people, get about such little things in this day and age



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