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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,443 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    They're not getting anywhere near Kyiv again, those tanks are sunk and well out of fuel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Actually sights on an ak 74 are adjustments from 100 -1000m , most military forces train to shoot out to 600m +



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thats possibe i never shot one,but most western assualt rifles have only from 1-400 meters in 7,62 and 5.56 and with electronic sights maybe out to 500 meter unless you are a DMR with ACOG its out to 800 meters.

    Its hard to see a person in a iron sight at 1000 meters unless its surpressing fire

    Machineguns however have out to 1000 meters

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    You wouldn't be using a dmr with a acog ,you would want to a variable optic ,the acog is only 4x magnification, great for something like an M4 or similar assault rifle for short to midrange targets ,but for 600 m + you want something with better zoom and windage adjustments ,but for best part of a century military forces have trained to shoot 800m + with iron sights from 5.56 /223 to 7.62 /308 ,

    Barrel length and type of bullets come into play a standard short barrel m4 you might struggle to reach out and touch someone compared to someone with an 7.62 AK , which aren't a very accurate rifle in the first place, mainly due to the poor positioning of the iron sights (to close to each other) for proper accuracy but with the right training and practice you can learn to be a effective shooter ,

    Training is key



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭grumpyperson


    The people surrendered and did not re-engage. They were executed when someone else attacked or at least so the interviewee seemed to think.

    Who knows. Hopefully they'll stop killing each other.

    Ukraine, the second most corrupt country in Europe, which recently fired missiles into Poland but blamed it on Russia is hitting back at Ursula.

    I don't think there's any point posting here. Obviously to most sane people an end to a war that has taken 100,000 Ukrainian lives would be a good thing? Not here it seems.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭grumpyperson


    Did you read the OSCE reports from prior to the war highlighting the huge escalation in ceasefire violations? Did you listen to the interview? They talk about the shelling of donbas by Ukraine over many years prior to the war. Is that lies? I'm actually getting lost the two narratives are so different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, they are literally like lambs to the slaughter.. the only hope they would have is if they were in a deep enough trench, and they could dig a recess into its walls, so at least the heat sensing cameras would not pick them up. But frozen ground and lack of digging implements means that's practically impossible. Even hiding in the building did not save them. They're in a very bad place. Pity Solovyuv and Margarita could not be kidnapped and brought there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,089 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    My father was a reasonably good shot. One time he bullseyed the target at 1000 yds, likely using the same Parker Hale peep sight I sold a few years ago. This wasn't uncommon for him, which is why everyone was puzzled when his second shot seemingly missed the target completely and why they kept looking. Then someone noticed that the original hole in the centre of the target was ever so slightly ovaled and so it turned out that the second bullet had actually gone through the hole made by the previous one. I believe he always used a borrowed Lee Enfield .303 from stores.

    1000 yds is about 914m, so using WW2 vintage equipment, it is quite possible someone could hit those Orcs at 1200m, which is only one third the maximum range.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,443 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    They re-engaged when shot at by an enemy combatant, it's a fairly simple rule of war concept that you don't seem to be getting, however, we can leave it there as it's clear you either can't or won't understand this and will likely continue playing dumb and quoting conspiracy theorists.

    You've been challenged before on what the realistic terms for ending russia's "special operation" look like, have you anything to add to that? Do you think the best thing is for russia to leave Ukraine? Russia can then follow the international norms of seeking a UN peacekeeping mission if it has any issues in the Donbas and Luhansk regions, the number of russians dying will be much much less than if they continue on their current suicidal path.

    (Again, pure whataboutery and winding up on your part, hopefully you realise this when you look in a mirror and a soulless automaton looks back as you).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,543 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    Russia can't claim self defence when it goes around sucker punching people, then gets its butt kicked in response.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,089 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    You are right, there is no point you posting here, and certainly not when you post 3 outright lies in one post, as you just did. Ciao.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    I'd like to see the war end as soon as possible with the minimum further deaths as possible. It would make a lot more people's lives better in the long run.


    This thread is a pointless place for any discussion about this awful conflict, the internet in general is when it comes to any emotive subject, because of rabid bias and comical levels of propaganda which is treated as gospel. Anything approaching pro Ukrainian claims is true, negatively about any aspect of their struggle is ridiculous and all mention of Russian claims is automatically lies, any success of theirs is nonsense and all misfortune is hilarious.

    It's mostly grotesque cheerleading here peppered with tangential top trumpesque weapons stats discussions by the naively short sighted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,135 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    “Annexation of Ukrainian territories is illegal and a threat to human rights, say OSCE human rights Director and OSCE media freedom Representative”




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,443 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    That is objectively not true, claims about Ukraine are made and challenged daily and misinformation pointed out quickly.

    That you only work with misinformation is on you and your questionable moral centre. Try and engage and prove me wrong but you're not off to a good start with the Wallace/Daly impression.

    I bet within a few posts you'd be claiming to want peace with russia but failing to outline what terms russia should accept or trying to blame NATO/USA for having the temerity to exist and protect each other from exactly Ukraine's current situation, because you know it will expose your position. I'd be happy to lose that bet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,543 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    There's only one person/country keeping this going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,089 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭vixdname


    Read what I wrote again, I never said the Ukrainians should do to the Russians what the Russians are currently doing to them. What I DID SAY is that I doubt many Ukrainians who are under bombardment from russia would be in any way upset if the same was meted out onto their civilian counterparts in russia.

    Trying to uphold the moral high ground is very hard when you're ducking for cover from incoming ordinance Id imagine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,440 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Any such events could not be classed as war crimes, as no such state of war existed between the countries.

    Also, the Russian terrorist / mafia state's reasons for invading Ukraine seems to be hugely contradictory. Sometimes the invasion was because of Donbas, other times because of NATO expansion, other times because the mafia state wished to regain historical lost territory which had been ceded by the Soviet Union (ditto with the vox pops of the Russian public.....sometimes they don't even mention Donbas and give other reasons to justify Putin's war).



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You dont have too as DMR,ACOG is often used,and fixed scope as well as DMR.

    And with ACOG i mean Trijicon ACOG M4A1 Scope

    Snipers however would use variable zoom scope

    Military forces train from 25-500 meters,thats NATO standard

    The chances of spotting and shooting at an enemy at 800 meters is slim

    Most combat ranges is 100-400 meters

    Only exception was Afghanistan in the mountains where 5.56 had problems with range and Taliban used RPG and Dragunov to outrange NATO,so many changed to 7.62 instead.

    The newer rifles in the US might with the new 6.8 caliber and new scope that more or less finds the elevation and windage in a split second.

    But its not NATO standard as of yet



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It is offcourse with rifles thats designed for longer range,with longer barrels and specialised iron sights

    And not atleast bigger targets,thats 45”x45”

    A human torso however is not easy to hit at that range without a variable scope



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,913 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    FWIW, we use ACOGs on our DMRs. It's still an infantry squad weapon, not a sniper rifle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,825 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Obviously to most sane people an end to a war that has taken 100,000 Ukrainian lives would be a good thing? Not here it seems.

    Name one person in this thread that has said ending the war would be a bad thing. Just one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭vixdname


    I'll be blunt, I for one couldn't care less about keeping the moral high ground.

    If I were in Ukraine as a civilian, before the war, I'm pretty sure I would not intentionally wish any bad on Russian civilians per say, BUT when I would have seen their dismissiveness, their indifference to my suffering at their leaders hands, seen family members shot, tortured or raped and see still see the main overtone in Russian civilian society range from indifference to others wanting to "Drive a stake through Kyiv"..THEN I would, as a civilian wish equal or more retribution against those people.

    On the other hand, If I was a Ukrainian serving in the military, being bombarded day in day out, having friends and fellow soldiers killed alongside me in trenches and also seeing what the Russians were doing by bombing the cities we came from, I make no bones about it, and I couldn't give a single f**k what you think of my position, but I would have zero hesitation in meting out as much barbarism, pain and cruelty to any Russian soldier I came upon, I would have ZERO mercy on any of them and would ensure, till my last breath that I killed and maimed as many of them as was possible.

    I'm pretty sure most, if not all serving military in Ukraine would now at this stage, be of a similar mindset as myself.

    Its war, its dirty, its messy and while it lasts, it reduces normally civilized people back to living on basic instincts...kill or be killed. Thats the sad reality of it.

    Now you can come back and say how terrible it all is, but it's very easy for you to pontificate about how Ukrainians shouldn't put themselves on the same level as the Russian scum but imagine living nearly 10 months in the Ukrainians shoes and imagine then, in all honesty whether your moral high ground would be that important to you.

    So that's my "real opinion" on it all, I don't hide it from you or anyone else, why would I? I couldn't care less what you think of my opinion, you are nobody and nothing to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,093 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    They're not suppressing anything the way they are shooting. It's a tiktok video.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,840 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Strange isn't it, how interested you are in those reports, yet weeks later still can't bring yourself to understand the basics of the Budapest agreement and what's going on.

    Very easy to be 'lost' when you want to be 'lost'.


    Donbas is part of Ukraine. They were shelling it because Russian backed separatists were there, armed and holding the territory - in violation of the treaty supposed to establish the ceasefire.

    Prior to the war? That was part of the war.

    The war that started when Russia, in clear violation of the Budapest agreement, attempted to undermine Ukrainian sovereignty and invaded it.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,543 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The new Russian AK12 standard issue rifle is interesting because they made it look more modern but didn't actually improve any of the problems with it. So it's accuracy has the same problems as their old AK74.

    Doesn't matter what scope you put on it, it won't hold zero due to how the scope is mounted.


    What's interesting is why make a gun more modern looking and not actually improve it in any meaningful way. Seems symptomatic of the problems within the Russian military in general.

    Then they are sending conscripts into combat with no training. But even before that, their troops seemed to be poorly trained. So any accuracy conversation is moot. Regardless of the equipment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,632 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    "Officers" likely refers to all soldiers and is just lost in translation. However many here also dispute the 100k dead + wounded as if the head of EU is totally uninformed on the matter.

    She also gave a separate figure for civilians (20k) in that interview.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But yet you don't know that the figures are varifed.

    It's that simple and I don't think anyone outside of the Ukrainans know



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,543 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Regardless of how well informed she was. I doubt either side has accurate numbers. Often decades after a conflict they are still inaccurate.

    The information is not required to see how brutal this war is.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So, you're going to cherry pick the mistranslations to suit your own agenda... right, we'll probably not pick up on that at all at all at all.

    As for civilian deaths - considering the war crimes Russia is commiting I'd think that's on the low side.



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