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Katherine Ryan claims she called out alleged ‘sexual predator’ celebrity on TV series

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    "(in the absense of evidence)"

    its a science isn't it. not really about belief.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Nobody argued that. There are parties that this information should be given to to have the cases investigated. Making vague public allegations that cause the dumb masses to speculate, and likely suspect innocent people, is not the way to handle this. It has nothing to do with gaslighting.



  • Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Even here there are people saying "My money is on this person and that person, whom I don't like" - it's an awful dodgy thing to be doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    oh so false allegations do happen? ok. glad we cleared that up.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,151 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Looks like Fern Brady has mentioned on more that one occasion that Russell Brand is a sexual predator. Wonder if anything will ever come of it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    there needs to be a diference between beleiving someone and taking them seriously. you cannot just beleive the word of someone on such a serious matter if there is no evidence to prove it. you take it seriously and go looking for evivence of what happened



  • Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Canadian comedienne and actress (of Irish stock) based in Britain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭supermans ghost


    My two cents, caught the last 10 minutes of her interview with Louis Theroux, while channel surfing and frankly my first impression of her is someone who has “issues” shall we say. I had not ever heard of her, so had to Google her to find out she was a sometime comedian. Verdict classic attention seeking imo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,439 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    "Sometime comedian" Interesting take, off the top of my head, multiple Netflix specials, a Netflix show, panel shows both here and the USA and an Amazon prime series........

    I'd class that as full time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭growleaves


    There isn't even an allegation, just the word 'predator'.

    Are people now at the stage where they will believe something without even knowing what it is?

    So we have no allegation and no accused but the accuser (of something?) is A Woman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭growleaves


    But it's even weirder than that. We're not even being told what it is we're believing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    That’s why it’s so insidious. By the time someone gets officially named (if it all) the rumours will have damaged people who had nothing to do with these allegations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,196 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Who is spreading the rumours though? Katherine Ryan didn't name anyone, and clearly (and purposefully) didn't give any identifying information. She wasn't trying to put forward an accusation, she was talking about something that happened during her career (the incident didn't happen to her, but she was talking about having to work with someone she knew had done whatever to another woman and she called him out on it).

    Anyone throwing names about or speculating about who it is would be to blame. She didn't name or identify anyone at all. She's not the one spreading rumours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭Sigyn


    Maybe that person has reason, such as personal experince, to make a statement like this and it has nothing to do with "dislike "? Just because they are "celebrities ' doesn't been they live in an ivory tower ;)

    Homo homini lupus est.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,439 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    If someone is named, it'd be 50/50 if their career was in anyway affected, especially if the behaviour is predatory but not illegal.


    No one is losing bookings or slots on tv because someone on Reddit thinks they might be the person Katherine Ryan was talking about that one time.



  • Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm talking about this thread. What's more likely - members posting "I reckon it's xyz who is the predator" because of personal experience with said individual, or because they don't like them?

    And I never mentioned anything about celebrities being in an ivory tower. Of course they're not, of course they can be responsible for abuse, but nobody, no matter what they're like, should have sexual misconduct speculation thrown at them based on someone saying an unnamed man in their industry is allegedly a sexual predator.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,817 ✭✭✭Xander10




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,277 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Stop being so reasonable. You're making it hard for the rest of us to vilify her.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    So it’s ok to be viewed with suspicion even if you haven’t done anything? Just because someone made unsavoury comments about an unnamed individual that some people think could be you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,196 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Because the purpose of her comments weren't to spread rumours, but instead discussing something she experienced in the context of and relevant to the conversation she was having with others. From what I remember she was talking with other female comedians about hearing these types of accusations about male comedians, how many female comedians have group chats to let others know about incidents they've had with male comedians etc. Ryan's comment was relevant to the conversation she was having, but she very intentionally didn't give any identifying information because that wasn't the point of what she was saying. She was trying to discuss one experience she had, not what the man had actually done.

    The fact that other people, namely people on the Internet and some sections of the media, have endlessly speculated as to who she was referring to or trying to get her to reveal either who it was or who the woman it happened to was, that's entirely on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    If you were a male comedian of any standing, you wouldnt be letting female comedians within an asses roar of any project that you were involved in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Yeah, I know you got yourself all het up over this but you said "why believe", not me. False allegations happen, in a lot of circumstances, but you said "commonplace" which is not the case. Obviously AGS can't just choose a side, investigations must happen and like I said, while that's the case, names/details should not be known to the public.

    We've been through not believing victims in the past. That's why we don't wanna go down that road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Yeah sure, if you

    A) Mistrust all women, or

    B) Are a sex pest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Because bookies exist for a reason, you calculate the odds and decide what the chances of you being the victim of a whisper network voming out with vague accusations and what effect that will have on your career?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    It’s a sad day when even someone like me thinks that’s a bit much



  • Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If there were loads of proven examples you might have a point.

    Men who complain about radical feminists object to the way they tar all men with the same brush - and rightly so. Yet some seem to be ok with doing the very same thing however.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,196 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Romesh Ranganathan is starring in a new sitcom with Katherine Ryan. I wonder why he felt comfortable starring with her even after she talked about the thing which started this conversation.

    Maybe, it's because he knows he's not a sex pest and that Katherine isn't someone who would baselessly throw out accusations without cause.

    It's funny, but when the Harvey Weinstein revelations were in full swing, many complained about why women weren't warning other women about him. Yet here we have the idea that some UK female comedians give each other the heads up about inappropriate behaviour, and now "Well male comedians just shouldn't work with any women in case they're the victim of vague accusations!"

    I listen to a few podcasts by UK comedians, with other comedians as guests etc. It's very clear that the majority of male and female comedians get along great, support each other, like each other etc. Even just taking Katherine Ryan as an example, like I said she's now starring in a new sitcom with Romesh Ranganathan, she hosted her own stand-up showcase on Amazon Prime with a bunch of male comedians who had no issue working with her, she tours and works with a pretty right-leaning, anti-woke comedian called Geoff Norcott, and Jimmy Carr is one of her best friends even though some here and on Reddit were speculating that maybe Katherine was referring to him with her comments (because people speculating even though there was pretty much zero identifying information given are ridiculous). None of them had any hesitation working with her.

    Maybe if you were a comedian and were scared that just working with a female comedian would lead to them having to warn other female comedians about you, maybe the issue wouldn't be with them.



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