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Katherine Ryan claims she called out alleged ‘sexual predator’ celebrity on TV series

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    i dont disagree that its more on the general public/us that are speculating on who it is, but its still obvious that this sort of speculation would happen

    'If there's such a lack of hints to the point where nobody can realistically even narrow it down to what show it was, what year it was, what type of show it was... then just because people are guessing does not mean she has brought suspicion on anyone.' - the problem here is that two people in particular have been named repeatedly online as most likely who she is talking about, with tenuous 'evidence' cited. now, if they are problematic (which is likely, even if this isnt what KR was actually referring to) then fair enough, but if not these people are being talked about in an unfair light, even if it is just online.

    also, as another poster suggested, without further information, i would not be surprised if KR was referring to someone that is/was in an age-gap relationship. she used to be relatively vocal on her instagram about how against such relationships (kinda with her on it personally tbh) she is, shes mentioned a number of number she thinks florence pugh needs help since shes dating someone who looks like her dad (agree i dont disagree, zach braff comes across as creepy af) and its not unknown for male comedians to date younger women.

    and overall im a fan of KR. Ive watched her netflix specials and her scripted show, ill usually watch whatever panel show shes on and i generally find her very funny. she also strikes me as someone who regularly confuses her opinion with fact though unfortunately



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What makes Zach braff creepy and why do you think that his girlfriend needs help?

    And what right does anyone have to label a relationship between two consenting adults predatory?

    I think a the title of sexual predator should be reserved for much more serious behaviour than being in a relationship with someone younger who is above the age of consent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    ive always got a slightly weird vibe from him tbh, maybe cause hes an asshat according to alot of people.

    i dunno, maybe predatory is a bit much but i find a 21 year age gap unsettling, as was the fact he was her boss when they met



  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You always hear about it being predatory and creepy when it's the older male. For a woman it's given the much more acceptable cougar and sex positive. I even think Emma Thompson has a film out about banging a younger fella. Don't know much about the storyline to be honest but from the blurb it comes across as "sex-positive".


    This might be the balance to the slut/stud discrepancy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    sex and a relationship are different things though. yeah i think that movie is about a male escort so i dunno how relevant that is tbh, although i havent seen it

    anyway, going off topic



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭sekiro


    I only used it as an example but the details would definitely reframe her actions in a better or worse light depending on the specifics.

    “I called him a predator to his face and in front of everyone every day.”

    If it's someone who is being accused of rape or sexual harassment then it's fine to think that she's doing the right thing, especially if it's an open secret that this man has committed actual crimes but nobody is doing anything about it.

    If it's just an accusation of a crime without evidence then I'd say that's a bit less brave and a bit more unhinged.

    If she is getting up in a colleagues face and basically harassing them at work over an age gap in a private and legal and consensual relationship then suddenly she isn't really the hero of the tale and would look like a complete lunatic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭frosty123


    No victim blaming, just reckon she's stirring things up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭Sigyn


    My money is on McIntyre.

    Homo homini lupus est.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭Sigyn


    Nope, I'd go with Brand or Fielding before I'd even come close to Davies. But my #1 remains McIntyre.

    Homo homini lupus est.



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  • Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My money is on Brand or that absolute creep David Walliams, if he is someone she worked with.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    That time Davies bit the ear off that homeless man and refused to show any remorse put me off him, plus I vaguely recall Julia Swahalla who was once in a relationship with him hinting darkly that he was quite unpleasant.

    I suppose we’ll never know.

    Its hardly fair for her to cast a shadow over everyone she’s ever worked with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭Sigyn


    Yep, I agree with the last sentiment. It's tarring them all with the same brush BUT it's funny how so many people mention the same names, doesn't bode well for British comedians :D

    Homo homini lupus est.



  • Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Seems a pointless and potentially dangerous thing to do (numerous men will be under a cloud of suspicion now - and geniuses will be accusing those they simply dislike personally). "I know something really serious and shocking... but I can't tell you!" Only kids do that usually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    why am I subscribed to this thread?

    oh right, we've moved on from that at this stage...


    has she ever worked with Al Porter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    Why do men always say this when a woman speaks out about sexual assault. If you've ever had any legal dealings then you know it's not the type of attention you want. Also sexual assault is painful and traumatic and a difficult topic. I wish this narrative could stop because this is a learned response that men in different countries have picked up to put down discussion by victims especially. It's really disgusting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    What???! The press were going to release the story so she decided to let everyone know on her own terms. Who cares what day of the week it was. She has fans. Also why do you feel so much bile and hatred about it, if some celebrity got married etc., and I didn't care I'd just jog on or turn the page, wow!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    She made vague comments that only caused speculation against multiple people. Nothing about this is brave or commendable, and only helped her get into the news. So yes: attention seeker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    a sexual predator is someone who is guilty of sexual harrassment ,maybe he uses obscene language, maybe he gropes women,he may use his fame or power to get women to sleep with him, basically asking women to do things they do not want to do,if you sleep with me i,ll get you this role.she cant just say in print or on a podcast ,joe bloggs is a sexual predator ,she could get sued, its up to victims of rape to go to the police, some women may not prefer to go to court especially if its a famous rich person.she appears on many panel shows, its likely to be someone who is famous enough to appear on tv shows.i think its creepy when a 24 year old man go,s out with a girl whose 16 or 17 .showbusiness is full of creeps who would like to take advantage of young women if they can get away with it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    The inevitable price of commonplace false allegations.

    Theres rarely any consequence for making a false accusation. So why believe.

    When we start seeing women being given sentences for playing with a mans reputation like that, maybe then we can start taking such accusations seriously.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    You don't wanna go down that road. Of course allegations should be believed until investigated, they just shouldn't be released for all to see.

    For the odd false accusation you do see, it's not commonplace and punishments are doled out. A quick Google brought these up.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,863 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    She didn’t cause speculation. Speculators chose to speculate. Blame speculators for speculating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    I think she has tendencies to predatory behaviour herself.

    Who boasts about giving somebody "an aggressive blowjob" (What is that? A hint of sharp teeth?) and then says [1min:55] "I think he's just with me because he fears for what I might say about him on TV, and that's as good a reason as any. IT FEELS POWERFUL"?

    How scary is that?

    You go girl!

    You can say you're "Reclaiming" sexual predation for the female of the species.




  • Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah exactly. Baffles me the way the accused are named in the press, like the guy off Coronation Street, but allegations do have to be taken seriously. And it's vile (and ironic) to assume all such allegations are false until proven otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Why dont I wanna go down that road?

    Why should the police 'believe' anything. They deal with every sort of space cadet making every sort of claim daily.

    So I doubt "believe" comes into police procedure much, at least not before words like 'record' or 'investigate'. 'Console' certainly, 'advise' maybe, but 'believe' ... I'd have to guess that in a role which involves sorting bullsht from truth that initially believing anyone (in the absense of evidence) is a rare part of the job. (Now 'appear to believe' is probably in there, but thats a different kettle of fish)

    https://www.mensvoicesireland.com/issues/false-allegations-against-men/

    ".. However, an FBI study found the following: The “unfounded” rate, or percentage of complaints determined through investigation to be false, is **higher for forcible rape than for any other Index crime**. Eight percent of forcible rape complaints in 1996 were “unfounded”, while the average for all Index crimes was 2 percent."

    "In her ground-breaking thesis Judicial Separation and Divorce in the Circuit Court, Dr. Roisin O’Shea quotes one judge as follows: “I am concerned that allegations of sexual abuse are at times being used as a very effective weapon but a court is obliged to ensure that the HSE or the Gardai investigate all such complaints..."


    A lot of men are well aware of the dangers of womens potential to use lies, tears and *white knights. Its a tale as old as time. So excuse us when we doubt, but some of us have read more than a few cases of weaponized allegations across the years.

    Alex Salmond for one example. Multiple allegations, all cleared, compensation received. Political rivals still used the (somewhat... convenient) opportunity to cast him as 'handsy'.


    Even in cases where no particular individual is named, and where the court hands out a sentence we can see that there are just some nutters out there, swinging around false accusations because ... well, fck knows why.

    Exhibit A.

    Asked was she raped, Ms Hayes replied “no”. Asked why she reported the rape, she replied: “I don’t know why I said, I really don’t. I am sorry for what I said.”


    *the actual creeps most of the time. EmSd. AJR.

    Post edited by 20Wheel on

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    Another myth. False allegations. Christ, this **** is why Boards has died on it's arse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    Accusing someone who highlights abuse in so far as they can as attention seeking is classic gas lighting behaviour. Christ I hope to god you don't have a partner.



  • Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What if there's bruising, bleeding, the woman is in extreme distress? That not enough to be believed?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    exactly. never happens.

    every allegation ever is true.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



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