Katherine Ryan claims she called out alleged ‘sexual predator’ celebrity on TV series

dontmindme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119937033#Comment_119937033

neither are illegal and 'pest' is purely subjective!

There's a post somewhere near the beginning of this thread where someone describes being sexually violated - by a man talking to them about sex...what the actual fk

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119937033#Comment_119937033

I don't know. I've had people say to me that they will not participate in a young person's experience programme in their work due to the risk of working with children.

OTT perhaps, but these kinds of things do generate real fear.

The point is, a distrust of all women is nonsense. Just like a distrust of all men is.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119934830#Comment_119934830

So take it up with the people who are starting and spreading the rumours. You’ve quite a few of them on this thread if you want to challenge the insidious nature of their speculation.

Sigyn

https://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/katherine-ryan-truth-tv-predator-760685

I don't know what to think now. She's certainly not doing herself any favours with this...

Cienciano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119937495#Comment_119937495

If you can't imagine a context where a man talking to a woman about sex can be creepy, make them feel violated, scared or extremely uncomfortable you need help. Seriously.

Cienciano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180014#Comment_119180014

This post sums it up. She's not trustworthy because wanderer2010 said so. Also, wanderer2010 doesn't find her material funny, therefore she made it up. This has to be possibly the dumbest post on this thread

daheff

Simple solution for this problem

She makes a statement to the police. Let them take it from there.

Jequ0n

If the “predatory” behaviour ( what a ridiculous term anyway) wasn’t illegal there is little the police can do. Obviously the media will be more than happy to pick it up and put their spin on it.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119938778#Comment_119938778

She wasn't the one the incident happened to. If she goes to the police, it's hearsay. It would be up to the woman the incident happened to to make a statement to the police.

Do you think she should go to the police to make an official accusation against someone where she would have to officially and on the record name the man, even though she has no direct evidence and was neither the victim nor a witness to the incident?

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119936329#Comment_119936329

yeah it is the women that are the problem. sweet suffering jesus.

20Wheel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119936996#Comment_119936996

We've also been through automatically believing accusations, that didnt really work out either.

See witch trials, stazi , and southern u.s. culture - it were them damn negros what dun it.

I see it in the news enough that its frequency warrants my cynisicm. And Im not alone as you can see. Nobody can take these things at face value anymore. Blame the liars.

Deebles McBeebles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119937249#Comment_119937249

I should really go stick the house on a 100/1 horse then, because in decades of working with women, I seem to have completely beaten the odds. Either that or a few posters are suffering from internet-induced delusions.

Deebles McBeebles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119937518#Comment_119937518

How real the fear is would be up for debate but certainly seems a bit OTT to me.

Sleepy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119937518#Comment_119937518

A much clearer example of this is the dearth of male teachers nowadays, particularly at primary level. It can be a hard career to get a first permanent position in unless you have less common qualifications for subjects at secondary level (e.g. Maths rather than Irish/History etc.) but it's very well paid for the hours worked, offers unrivalled annual leave and is the very definition of "a good permanent and pensionable job", especially if you're not living in the capital so why are young men avoiding it as a career choice? Most anecdotal evidence I've heard indicates it's in no small part due to that risk of working with children and the reality that even a completely fabricated allegation will be believed by a not insignificant number of your colleagues and neighbours even if no charges are ever proven (or even brought to court).

Wezz

The problem is that behaviour that men see as innocent can, in a certain context, seem intimidating to women. I was out at the weekend, went to a club, a mate of mine met a girl and chatted to her for a while. When he saw her leaving he left the club and - in his words "chased her down the road" to get her number. She told him to get lost. He couldn't understand her "attitude and mixed signals" - again, his words. When I pointed out that a man chasing down a woman at half two on a sunday morning could be seen as a potential harm he couldn't understand it because they had been getting along so well. We all need to be aware of ourselves a little more and consider others experiences because we don't all live in the same world.

Deebles McBeebles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119938892#Comment_119938892

I reckon we can find a middle ground between your suggestion of not even entertaining allegations and burning people at the stake. In fact we already have. It's very unwise to go extreme on either side.

Unsure as to where you get your news but I've yet to see these frequent articles that have lead you to disbelieve all women.

20Wheel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119939254#Comment_119939254

Yeah. Its called a courtroom. Due process.

Or at least a police report. Until then its as good as any other shyte in the gossip section. Idle talk is not enough.

Show me something. Wheres the beef. (Tap tap tap).

daheff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119938825#Comment_119938825

She does not need to be the victim of the incident to make a statement to the Police. The Police will decide if there is sufficient evidence/reason to investigate further.

If she is as sure about the incident as she is making out in public, then yes she should go to the police. If she has not got sufficient evidence to stand over the claims she is making, then its just hearsay on her part (and possibly attention seeking to try to be relevant). If she is in the wrong, she's effectively trying to destroy somebody's reputation. She's afraid to name names because of lawyers. If she's in the right she should have enough evidence to let the police take it further and not have to name names of go public about it.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119939602#Comment_119939602

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119940304#Comment_119940304

These kinds of suggestions imply that taking such claims to the police 1) isn’t a horrendous experience for the complainant and 2) is likely to have a positive outcome.

Have a look at some of the leaked text messages from Met police officers and tell me that you’d be happy for your sister or your daughter to be taking her sexual assault claims to those officers.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119940304#Comment_119940304

Of course she doesn't have enough evidence to go to the police to make a statement. It didn't happen to her and she didn't witness it. All she has is what she was told by others (whether the victim directly or someone else). All she has is hearsay. Regardless, she's not going to go to the police because the person who the incident did happen to obviously doesn't want to go to the police about it. If Katherine Ryan did go to the police about it, she'd be just as likely to publicly out the victim as well as the male comedian.

Again, people are missing the point that when Ryan spoke about this thing, it was in the context of her experience having to work with the guy, not about what the guy was accused of. The people who are giving that side of things the most attention and saying she should go to the police, reveal who it was etc, are the more likely ones to ruin the guy's reputation by speculating who it is or trying to force Ryan to name who it is.

The attention isn't being sought by Ryan, it's being given by people giving too much focus to the wrong aspect of the story she was telling.

BattleCorp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119940418#Comment_119940418

Yeah, I get that it can be very uncomfortable going to the police if you've been raped/sexually assaulted but Ryan isn't the victim here. She'd just be going to tell the police that such and such said that such and such said that xxxxxxx raped/sexually assaulted them etc. She could say that she doesn't know if it's true but that's what she's been told and leave it up to the police to take it further, i.e. look for evidence/investigate etc. If a child came to me or you and said they were raped/sexually assaulted, we wouldn't think twice of going to the police to report the allegation so why should it be any different for an adult?

The other alternative is to ignore it, do nothing, and possibly the person the accusation is against can continue to rape/sexually assault people.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119940905#Comment_119940905

Firstly, it's obviously different when it comes to a child. That's a completely different scenario. With an adult victim, as per this case, they can choose to proceed with reporting to the police themselves.

Secondly, if the victim doesn't want to press charges, its not Ryan's place to go to the police about it. Even if she did go to the police and gave them the name of the woman who made the accusation, if she doesn't want to press charges then the investigation would stop dead. All Ryan would have done is betrayed her trust and report something to the police that she didn't want reported to the police, as well as increasing the chances her name would then be made public (due to leaks to the press, which can and does happen).

Lastly, Ryan called the guy out in front of others while working together in order to shame him and call him out on his behaviour, and as per the conversation in which this came out, she and other female comedians warn each other of such things so they can know who to take care around.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119939059#Comment_119939059

So you're a succesful male comedian now?

@Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119939254#Comment_119939254

Agreed. There aren't such frequent articles.

Nor, @Dyr, are there several comedians who have been falsely accused of sexual misconduct by comediennes.

These claims just look like resentment towards women. Wanting to believe we're all devious.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119941089#Comment_119941089

"All women" lol

If theres a whisper network of female comedians spreading allegations then successsful comedians who want to protect their reps would be putting miles of clear oceen between them and any opportunity for gossip.

It's interesting that women in all these industries did not figure out that senior male figures would insulate themselves Mike Pence stylee from any Me Too style shenanigans

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119938778#Comment_119938778

For what problem?

Woman talking to a man in a relaxed interview setting said something completely unspecific, so what exactly is the problem that needs to be addressed?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119941785#Comment_119941785

What network of female comedians are trying to destroy male comedians? Surely such a statement can be backed up?

20Wheel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119940418#Comment_119940418

Its horrendous to inform the police of a crime?

Ok, lets say it is then. Well thats just life, sometimes its horrendous.

But you still bear the burden of proof, horrendous or not, sorry. Society operates on the burden of proof. Its why theres a long number on your credit card, its why you use passwords and carry id. People arent to be trusted at their word. And that applies equally.

Take a look at mob/summary justice and tell me you want society to operate on that principal. (You'll find it predominantly in failed states, since successful states tend to be founded on laws and evidence).

If it happened take it to trial. We literally cant operate as a society on the basis of what people claim at a given time.

Deebles McBeebles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119940973#Comment_119940973

Thanks for noticing.