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Ireland the land of taxes and endless "fees"

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,330 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    The problem is that a welfare state and unlimited immigration of refugees into the country doesn't work.

    It's always handled under the guise of being the rich and developed country, being humane and Christian, but if this was all the case we'd have to accept the whole of Africa and large portions of Asia, and we all know that this is impossible to handle.

    However this problem is not exclusive to Ireland, it's happening in Germany as well.

    But Germany still seems to give better value for money, whether it's taxes or fees or other excuses to ask for extra money. France and various Scandinavian countries are mostly similar in this matter.

    I think in Ireland the problem is still that the government is massively in debt, and taxpayers are just servicing that debt with the interest on it, but not getting anything. It's the debt incurred during the financial crisis, and bailout of banks etc...

    So, I am inclined to think it's not refugees and excessive social payments to whomever, but more part of a home made financial structural problem going back to the financial crisis.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    An addiction by politicians, driven by the media that throwing more money at a problem is always the best thing to do



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,949 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    an addiction to the wrong type of political ideologies thats clearly seriously fcuking things up, ideologies that keep throwing money at (re)inflating the value of assets, rather than trying to actually create new ones, amongst other things....



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,880 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    This is it. The last time I looked the public service pension liabilities were €150 billion and some.

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,394 ✭✭✭NSAman


    I pay approx 32% in tax on wages. Tax in Ireland would be 50+%

    i pay 9% sales tax (vat is 23%)

    yes I pay property tax but that is a choice (size and cost of property) and an expense for many which is deductible.

    now add in the motor costs my vehicle would be 3k+ per year in Ireland 150 here. The VRT alone would be tens of thousands in tax in Ireland not to mention the 23% they charge in VAT on safety “extras”.

    add in the tax on practically everything else and tell me ireland isn’t a high tax place?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,949 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    no theres, no conclusive evidence to support Ireland is a high tax state, compared to comparable oecd nations



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,394 ✭✭✭NSAman




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,330 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Ireland is high on taxation, but only corporation tax has been historically low. Thus people tend to think in general terms that Ireland is a low tax haven, but it isn't.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    This is true and exists elsewhere in the world. Different salaries based on location. Look at London vs rest of UK.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,949 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    property prices are heavily influenced in major cities such as london due to speculation



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  • Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭Nighttime22


    I see this response alot and I don't think it tells the full story.

    Just because we are taxed less than the scandanavian countries doesn't mean our tax isn't outrageously high when you factor in what we get in return.

    Then you have all these stealth taxes and sly fees attached to nearly everything here. The gov here is an absolute leech and they get away with it.

    Our healthcare system is subpar in comparison to the other countries you mentioned to try and spin it like we aren't highly taxed, our transport infrastructure is no where near good enough, we have a massive housing crisis ect ect.


    Imo Ireland is by far one of the worst when all things are taken into consideration.

    Sure you can cherry pick statistics and split facts to try and paint a prettier picture but the reality on the ground for a large portion of the population isn't pretty they have a cost of living that is strangling them.

    Basic things like raising a family and having a average place to live are in actual fact an absolute pipe dream for alot of the population.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    I'm all for it. However the unions wouldn't go for it, and if they did Dublin salaries would be increased rather than country salaries decreasing, so the net spend would go up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,330 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I think the housing crisis makes Ireland pretty much unattractive. This simply produces a brain drain effect on the country as well, which is only natural in circumstances like this.

    American multinationals are still lured to Ireland with lower corporation taxes, but I am sure, they know by now that finding the right candidates to fill their jobs isn't that easy due to the high cost of everything.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,949 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    housing is completely fcuking things up, theres no question intel did not go with galway for further expansion due to it!



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,286 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    In what country do you pay 32% tax in wages? Thailand?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,330 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    A couple of years ago or even every now and then Microsoft Ireland in Dublin is on some international hiring spree for their inside sales and support roles. Mainly they target individuals with foreign language skills and any kind of degree. In the end, they send some of them home, fired them, put them on some "do not rehire list" just because they were discontent with the housing situation in Dublin.

    Intel, another example, they apparently want to invest in Magdeburg Germany for some new kind of chip production and research site.

    The problem is, Ireland is getting unattractive, with this housing crisis. And then there is the attitude problem in Dublin against high rise construction. Buildings never getting built, or never approved because they are to high, and normal office blocks calling themselves high rise, but are in realty a tree stump.

    And then Dublin airport, which isn't connected by any rail service to Dublin, - another rarity in any European city.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭Eircom_Sucks


    Don't get me started

    single parents should get Fook all ( and i'm a single parent of 2 )

    why should they get most if not all their house paid for ? if you knew you'd get sweet fa off the government you'd think twice about having a kid unless you could afford one

    why are the longterm spongers left alone and newly unemployed hounded to get a job ?

    in australia if you unemployed for 2 months ,you get help for 2 months then nothing

    no accountability on the waste of money , or for anything for that matter

    complete reform is needed



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,949 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    some interesting graphs, some out of date data though

    we re definitely getting fcuked in regards returns, our critical social systems are fcuked!



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,934 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    It’s lower then some places like Denmark… but they have in Denmark public services you can only dream about.

    Denmark :

    • one of the highest performing public healthcare systems, in the world.
    • on average the second highest waged country in the world so take home pay is still $$$$$$$
    • State of the art, efficient, multifaceted public transport system….. City Metro, s-trains, intercity trains, buses, water buses, which can all be accessed with the same ticket. 1944 kilometres of railway line in Ireland. Denmark has 2633 kilometres of railway line. Yet Ireland is 1.6 times larger then Denmark. Yet Denmark has a 35% greater rail coverage.

    we just don’t get anywhere near bang for our buck here. Citizens might see a great tax take but investing in tangible improvements and additions to public services…. Still waiting for our out of date metro 🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Probably in the US. However people need to understand tax. A lot of people come out and say that they pay 52 percent tax when they don't. I'm assuming the poster is talking about the peak tax rate (ie 52% for Ireland) and is combining state and federal income taxes. A lot of states in the US particularly the midwest , the deep south and Vegas area have little to no state income tax. The peak rate could be lower than here but what's relevant is the actual percentage of cash / earned income that goes out to the taxation pot.

    As an example:

    I had a good year last year, just into six figures and my overall tax payment as a percentage of earned income was approx 34 percent. Now I make some pension contributions and pay BIK for a couple of things and everyone;s situation is different. But to pay 52% of your income in tax you'd need to be at or close to 500k.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,949 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    completely agree, our public services are beyond dreadful, countries such as denmark have invested well, we havent, now we re screwed



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    To take further an example of my relative. She's in her early 40s with 2 children in their teens. Both have special needs. The father was convicted of abusing the children shortly after the second arrived. Therefore the dont have them option doesnt exist, as when you had them the situation was different.

    She wants to work, but it doesnt pay her to do so. She gets carers payment, lone parent alllowance, hap, medical card, fuel allowance etc. Like I said above, you'd need to be earning at or above 40k to even consider it. With two special needs kids - one autistic and one physically disabled - you'd also need to think about a carer while she would be at work unless she could work the hours around school.

    That's a wrong situation, it should always pay to get a job. It should never be better to be on benefits. Of course she's not going to give up the money and take a large pay cut, that wouldnt be prudent, but on the whole that system needs to change. Especially for folks not on carers, pension, sick/disabled,- folks on normal JSA should be time barred.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,157 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    It's all because of Putin's blackmailing of Europe, war in Ukraine and climate change.

    Only joking, it's purely government incompetence/hatred of the electorate and welfare state as others have already mentioned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    If we don't know what the difference between a job and SW is I cannot help.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,949 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users Posts: 33,172 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Well, someone has to pay Leo and Michael's wages and whoever's in power at the moment.

    You keep voting for center-right parties, that's why. And then you moan that "X isn't a centre-right party!". Yeah, in the same way Bertie Ahearn was a socialist.

    It's not the taxes and fees y'all should be worred about it's where the money is going that's the real crime. The poor level/complete lack of them, but oh yeah - "X is a centre-left party" so they're investing all the money in public services, then, yeah?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Juran


    The OECD graph above, shows Ireland at 22% income tax of their income per capital. The reason is only a small % of the population pay income tax in Ireland. The PAYE workers earning above €18,000 (around this much i think) are truly the majority who pay income tax in Ireland. So you can exclude all the unemployed, refugees, cash in hand trades people, farmers & business owners who have cute accountants. Thats a big % of the population. Then add on pensioners & kids (not that i expect kids to pay income tax), thats even bigger % now.

    France is at 46% of income paid as income tax, why so high ? First no generous dole so there is an incentive to go out and get a tax paying job. Trades people won't do cash jobs, they all issue invoice with vat, they pay income tax on every euro they make ( and charge a bloody fortune at that).



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,394 ✭✭✭NSAman


    The USA, fact check it if you want. I earn far more here than ever in Ireland. I pay myself as a contractor and also do my business returns. Everything is above board. Yet I have more in my pocket personally and in business than I ever had in Ireland.

    i think you should really explore any statement that Ireland isn’t a high tax country, a little more.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,394 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Correct! Anyone being paid 500K also has various tax shelters/deductions/tax code usage that doesn’t make them pay 52%.

    i.e. A friend had 2 million in his tax payment account. He paid 1 million deposit for a jet, was allowed to right the entire cost of the jet off against income. Leaving him with 1 million dollars, no tax and an asset he could use to fly free and rent out…. All legal!

    The rich have tax accountants for this reason.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    The County Councils stopped collecting the bins because people wouldn’t pay the bin charges . Now householders are at the mercy of a small number of private collectors .



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