Russia - threadbanned users in OP

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/24/world/europe/ukraine-american-missile.html

For those still in denial about the stray AA missiles - it has happened before, and that was with more modern plane launched missiles.

There have been plenty of reports of apartment blocks being hit by stray S300 and NASAM missiles inside Ukraine. Its not an isolated phenomenon

Im fairly sure this was the plan until the Ukrainians put up such heroic and constant resistance to the Russian invasion. There is zero doubt in my mind, that if Ukraine falls, Moldova goes with it then Russia begins its usual plans of causing tensions in bordering countries to create an opportunity for them to 'liberate' those areas. Russia wants to reclaim what they lost during the collapse of the Soviet Union. Now it turns out out, there vaunted and fearsome army was just a paper tiger and that Russias grand imperial ambitions are now in ruins. This kind of reminds me of the Russia-Japanese war of 1905.

And we are very thankful that cooler calmer heads prevailed. Article 4 was the right call. Article 5 would have been very dubious. But the day might still come when Russia does something incredibly stupid that causes Article 5 to be invoked.

I wouldn't go so far as to say Ukraine should do what the Russians are doing, but I can understand Gatlings view on this. But you have to factor in that if Russia can do something awful then it will. It's not holding back with anything. If Russia thought it could use Nuclear weapons then it would, so Ukraine can't "attack" Russia as that would give Russia the excuse it needs.

What I think Ukraine should do more of is the guerrilla attacks, don't claim responsibility but covert missions into Russia and take out their power sources, take out Moscow or St Petersburg electrical/oil supplies. Let the wealthy and densely populated areas of Russian feel that pain. Some mysterious fires, unfortunate mistakes or spread a rumor that Russia is going to blow-up its own infrastructure to blame Ukraine, then go ahead and do it for them. Everyone will know what's happening but Russia can't go Nuclear. But there is no way Russians should be sleeping comfortably at night while they destroy Ukraine.

@timmyntc There have been plenty of reports of apartment blocks being hit by stray S300 and NASAM missiles inside Ukraine. Its not an isolated phenomenon.

Has there been plenty of varifed reports that Nasams and S300s hitting Ukrainian blocks ???

This is the first claim on here by anyone,you took one incident which has had no apparent investigation by experts on the ground that was actually reported and multiplied it to suit an agenda.

It's been a while since Sergei's $18m home was posted. I think he's on a $110,000 basic? Must be doing a lot of overtime.

Long Range ICBM such as minuteman are kinda of defunct at the minute (no pun intended), they carry the W78 warhead (about 300kt)

A NATO strike would more likely be carried out by a Submarine carrying Trident II missiles with a W88 warhead (about 450kt)

A tactical strike with a smaller warhead could potentially be carried out by an F-22 (Or other stealth fighter with a large enough bay to house an B61)

So that's a no then other than the NYTimes article concerning a harm missle.

there's talk of using Barrage Balloons to protect key infra from drone strikes. WWI tech, strange but in theory it could potentially work and it would be cheap and easily deployable