Was/is the protesting at East Wall Racist?

22-11-2022 5:26am #1

Simple yes no poll. Hoping this poll ends pointless bickering on other threads

Yurt2 · 22-11-2022 5:31am

"genuine local concern"

https://twitter.com/RealMessageEire/status/1594053722124034056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1594053722124034056%7Ctwgr%5E8ccde81dc3c0732617690fcf1af6f7986f41ad54%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fdiscussion%2F2058087687%2Fwhat-are-your-views-on-multiculturalism-in-ireland-threadbanned-user-list-in-op%2Fp610

22-11-2022 5:32am

Yes

Mods, is it possible to make this a poll only rather than a full thread? Don't want to clog the place up

walterking · 22-11-2022 7:30am

Yes

Of course it is.

Hard left agitators are behind it. They have finally found something to replace the water protests and suck in the uneducated to follow them.

Maybe if they talked to those getting the accomodation they would realise that these people will contribute greatly to Ireland in future years. My doctor is Syrian - he was a refugee 6 years ago.

Then you see the stunts and misinformation they spread - they suggest that the 10,000 in emergency accomodation are all sleeping rough and the stunt of setting up a couple of dozen tents was laughable, except some people thought it was genuine

20Wheel · 22-11-2022 8:23am

No

what protesting.

complete lack of context.

Miadhc · 22-11-2022 8:27am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905127#Comment_119905127

Main speaker last night a member of Irish Republican Socialist Party. Declared his love for multiculturalism and the diverse area of East Wall. Name checked some foreigners that own businesses in the area. Got heckled by the crowd, asked the crowd to disperse but they refused. Couple of far right heads then gave some impromptu speeches which seemed to go down well with the crowd.

Far Left and Far right battling for control of the narrative but the IRSP fella claims he is official spokesman for the residents group.

Danzy · 22-11-2022 8:44am

No

Opposition to extreme free market capitalism, that's all.

When this 300 goes in. Another 300 will be going in shortly.

The numbers are long past sustainable.

Put them were the Socialists and progressives live.

The backlash is against working class community standing up for itself.

Boggles · 22-11-2022 10:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905219#Comment_119905219

The backlash is against working class community standing up for itself.

Oh I'd say the employment percentage in that crowd is high alright. 😂

Dravokivich · 22-11-2022 10:33am

Yes

If it isn't racist, than what else could it be? Where I am, we regularly have councillors feeling like they need to apologise for the refugees in the area. There's been way too much complaining and it's all hysteria. I find myself at odds having to remind some people close to me, that it's genuinely only a short term issue they are foaming in the mouth over.

Furze99 · 22-11-2022 10:48am

No

I don't think so, from what I heard from organisers that were interviewed. They had a reasonable argument that the new arrangement was foisted on them without consultation.

Surprised to hear Eoin O'Brien of SF on radio this morning and being very unequivocal that locals should not be protesting. He wants to hijack them all instead to join his anti government protest on Saturday. SF should be careful what it wishes for, as substantial immigration doesn't necessarily align with their overall objective.

22-11-2022 10:54am

No

The lack of consultation is the problem. Every area that is receiving a Direct Provision centre should be properly consulted as there will be justifiable questions from the local community.

Of course, such protests are always highjacked by a racist minority.

As always, Twitter has defended into a shouty cesspit around this issue. According to many, you're a racist if you have objectifiable concerns.

Nabber · 22-11-2022 10:59am

it would be a good social experiment to allow voting if migrants should be housed in your immediate vicinity.

Racists are a minority, but I’m not convinced that any area would vote yes. A simple jog of the memory will remind folks how hard it is to get communities to agree to rehab clinics in their area, or even wind turbines.

it’s easy to point a finger when you don’t have to manage any of the consequences. I lived in East Wall for 6 years, it has some anti social issues to deal with, which begs the question why put migrants into known hot spot areas?

hotmail.com · 22-11-2022 11:01am

Pity these men weren't housed in Dalkey or Sandymount. This wouldn't happen there.

Yurt2 · 22-11-2022 11:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905641#Comment_119905641

Was this the same female organiser who was in the above video spewing hate at the arrivals? Because she didn't seem very reasonable to me. Maybe she has a radio voice and an abusing foreigners voice.

I've said it in the other thread, and other posters have already fallen prey to it, careful what conga line you attach yourself to. This "local protest" is already nothing of the sort, and has been hijacked by far-right elements. We already have people soft-soaping racsim and extremism.

It's quite something watching people radicalise themselves and give in to extremism in real-time.

neris · 22-11-2022 11:08am

No

No locals have to be allowed have a voice & say about what goes on in their areas, we cant keep up this pc "look at us we're such a fantastic country" open door policy for much longer.

gmisk · 22-11-2022 11:08am

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905127#Comment_119905127

Hard left agitators? Like who?

Philip Dwyer? (Ex NP)

Dee Wall?

And other assorted right wing loopers...

hotmail.com · 22-11-2022 11:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905690#Comment_119905690

You want to ignore the public feeling in many areas in Ireland - they don't want hundreds of refugees dumped on their doorstep.

You just want to focus on some of the nutters organising the thing.

Ireland ain't no different to any other country, people are weary and are often just opposed to refugees being housed near them.

Thelonious Monk · 22-11-2022 11:09am

Yes

I don't think they'd be there if it was a bunch of white guys from Sweden or something that had been displaced somehow. So I guess they don't trust people of different skin colour from lands they're not as familiar with as European countries. I'm not sure if that makes it racist or not.

timmyntc · 22-11-2022 11:14am

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905711#Comment_119905711

You think they are racist, so you dream up a hypothetical situation to paint them as racist, and then use your hypothetical as proof of their racism 🙄

mental gymnastics in the extreme here folks

Yurt2 · 22-11-2022 11:16am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905736#Comment_119905736

It was racist by and large because of the racism on display. It was riddled with far right 'activists' and people were abusing the arrivals entering the facility.

He doesn't need a hypothesis, it was all out there on display last night.

Thelonious Monk · 22-11-2022 11:18am

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905736#Comment_119905736

I didn't prove anything. I just don't think they'd be there shouting get them out at a bunch of white guys. They're more weary of dark skinned folk from more distant lands, maybe understandably so, but I'm not sure if that classifies as racism or not.

Like do you think they'd be protesting if it was housing homeless white Irish men? Doubt it.

timmyntc · 22-11-2022 11:19am

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905750#Comment_119905750

What racism?

hotmail.com · 22-11-2022 11:20am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905760#Comment_119905760

Oh yes they would. Homeless shelters are difficult to set up as locals object to them.

They don't want drug users near their children.

timmyntc · 22-11-2022 11:20am

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905760#Comment_119905760

They're more weary of dark skinned folk from more distant lands, maybe understandably so, but I'm not sure if that classifies as racism or not.

Where is your proof for this assertion?

hotmail.com · 22-11-2022 11:21am

Gary Gannon on the radio now is not happy with the protest.

xhomelezz · 22-11-2022 11:21am

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905760#Comment_119905760

Like do you think they'd be protesting if it was housing homeless white Irish men? Doubt it.

I would nearly say the same crowd would be shouting same shìt..

Yurt2 · 22-11-2022 11:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905763#Comment_119905763

Did you miss the scaldies in the video at the start of the thread? And that's just a taste of what went on yesterday. If you don't recognise that as racism, I, or no one else can help you. You either want to stick your head in the sand or have unacknowleged racsism issue yourself.

This is very simple, this was a racist protest, with racist rhetoric and chanting on display, riddled with far right racist elements.

22-11-2022 11:23am

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905711#Comment_119905711

This is wrong and mirrors the blanket statements that I see across social media channels. There are people in that crowd with justifiable concerns. As always there will be hijacking it for their own racist agenda but it is not as many as you think.

My amazing partner is an immigrant to this country and not white and I still see issues with dumping people into an area and she has the same opinion.

Its not as clear cut. Would I be happy if people were bussed into my area without proper consultation. Absolutely not. With consultation and questions answered it would likely be fine.

Think if all the people scattered all over the country, there is no clear plans for integration when current infrastructure under huge strain.

whisky_galore · 22-11-2022 11:24am

People have every right to protest except those people who I disagree with.

Thelonious Monk · 22-11-2022 11:24am

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905765#Comment_119905765

There's no proof. It's my opinion. Relax.

hotmail.com · 22-11-2022 11:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905777#Comment_119905777

Scaldies.. lovely.

And you're complaining about racism.

gw80 · 22-11-2022 11:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905750#Comment_119905750

But do you think it is OK for hundreds of refugees to be just dumped into these areas?

Do you realise that the flow of people will never stop, never, do you not see how all this will add to the housing crisis, the health care crisis and every other crisis we are having,

We have effectively no control of our boarders and there are billons of people looking for an easier life out there,this will not be of benefit to us,

Controls need to be put in place,and soon,

retalivity · 22-11-2022 11:25am

No

Are all people at the protest racist? No.

Are there racists at the protest trying to bend it to their ends? Yes.

Thelonious Monk · 22-11-2022 11:26am

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905778#Comment_119905778

If they have to go somewhere, I don't think this is the worst place to put them. It's basically the city centre and it's not like they're being dumped in the middle of some small town where they'd be a huge presence. I may be in a minority, but it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

timmyntc · 22-11-2022 11:27am

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905786#Comment_119905786

You didnt state it was an opinion, you stated it as (implied) fact. It is not factual, and you have no evidence.

You reckon that they would be more wary of black people than white people - there is no evidence to back this up other than your own reckoning. An opinion with nothing to back it, yes.

22-11-2022 11:28am

No

Hundreds of unvetted men coming into an area without consultation or question. Dead right to get out and question what’s going on.

it’s the management of the situation that’s got people rilled up. We have stacks of evidence from other countries that have implemented this policy and we want to make the same mistakes they all have?

Thelonious Monk · 22-11-2022 11:31am

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905803#Comment_119905803

well I went to school in that area and have spent a lot of time in the north inner city. I have heard vitriol against foreign people from that community more than anywhere else. Banging on about them getting free this and that. They feel left out or that they're not getting as much stuff for free as them.

Travellers and people from rough areas from Dublin are where I've heard the worst racism in Ireland. I'll die on that hill.

ancapailldorcha · 22-11-2022 11:34am

Yes

Sad to see this sort of racism in Ireland. These racists will go on and on about how we should prioritise our own and then go back to spouting the usual hatred of travellers, women, LGBT people, the homeless, etc... Transparent and pathetically so.

donaghs · 22-11-2022 11:34am

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905690#Comment_119905690

There probaby were hateful racists at the protests.

But does that make it ok to quickly convert an office block into accommodation for young male economic migrants from Somali Nigeria and Afghanistan? Without any local consultation.

You cannot flee directly from those countries, or from their neighbouring countries to Ireland.

Is this journalist from the Examiner a racist? Taoiseach: Local communities must be consulted before refugees arrive (irishexaminer.com)

Mainstream politicians need to represent constituents genuine concerns, or else its left to extremists or potential Trump-figures.

Thelonious Monk · 22-11-2022 11:34am

Yes

I'm moving from the UK to North Strand early next year, just around the corner from here. Do I need to get vetted by the way? People keep saying this. Will I be lynched if I don't show proof of vetination?

jiltloop · 22-11-2022 11:37am

Yes

I voted yes although I don't think it necessarily has to be racist.

What I am seeing on the clips looks pretty racist though and I think it's disgusting and disgraceful. I.e people shouting abuse at immigrants and shouting "go back to your own country". How can that not be racist?

Shameful scenes.

22-11-2022 11:38am

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905842#Comment_119905842

You're Irish by birth with a passport. This is an absolutely absurd comparison.

gmisk · 22-11-2022 11:40am

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905867#Comment_119905867

Spot on.

People like this ex-NP tosser Philip (dog kicker) Dwyer are front and centre on it.

https://twitter.com/IrlagainstFash/status/1594087873804107776?t=Hnl5C4ynltRYVdINB6wN2A&s=19

Thelonious Monk · 22-11-2022 11:40am

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905874#Comment_119905874

Actually I wasn't born in Ireland, and they don't know anything about me.

Yurt2 · 22-11-2022 11:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905867#Comment_119905867

This is it. There's a conversation to be had about immigration generally, but there's no point in having it with racist scaldies shouting abuse at foreigners or far-right melts. Those type of people are just baying for blood and want to enact their psychological problems on people, not find solutions or come to some sort of accomodation on what type of immigration policy we should have.

Yurt2 · 22-11-2022 11:44am

The first job the East Wall community has is to eject the far-right extremists from the situation.

There's one absolute melt extremist from Sandymount that was there last night on a megaphone claiming to be from an "inner city community called Sandymount". Have you ever heard such sh*t?

So yeah, there's a job of work to be done, becuase a fair whack of attendees last night and at the weekend have nothing to do with East Wall and just want to stir sh*t and generate racial emnity (and they've been successful thus far).

jiltloop · 22-11-2022 11:45am

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905880#Comment_119905880

Absolutely, there are some valid concerns and questions about the refugee process in this country. It's completely flawed and open to abuse. There are correct ways to communicate those concerns and ask those questions but the disgusting behaviour of those people in the videos and clips available online are not the right way and it's completely racist.

Danzy · 22-11-2022 11:47am

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905788#Comment_119905788

There is a lot of snobbery from the activist types.

This year alone we have taken more than would be housed in 3 years if they took all the new builds, nevermind the shortage from years past, never mind the acceleration in numbers.

A country with an incredible shortage of accomodation is now implementing the most extreme free market approach to migration imaginable.

Even Eoin o'Broin knows that the shortfall will not be made up, nor that even half is achievable.

Thelonious Monk · 22-11-2022 11:47am

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905880#Comment_119905880

Good lord. I can't believe people are being harassed like this in Ireland in this day and age. The helium voice on the other guy too. This is all such a sad state of affairs.

Yurt2 · 22-11-2022 11:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905788#Comment_119905788

Scaldy is not a racist term and you know it. Try that on with someone else, you'll get no joy from me.

And yes, the people in that video are scaldies.

Boggles · 22-11-2022 11:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905880#Comment_119905880

The FBI has identified cruelty to animals as a sign of psychopathy, a red flag indicating a high risk for committing acts of violence that pose a danger to the entire community.

Yip.

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