Was/is the protesting at East Wall Racist?

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907604#Comment_119907604

Only judging from what I’m seeing with my own eye’s.

Letting in every Tom, Dick & Harry from different cultures, laws & religion is going to have disastrous consequences

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907629#Comment_119907629

😅 .

Dravokivich

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907629#Comment_119907629

Ah yes, I'm either out of touch, or I've got something to gain from it.

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baldbear

No

We had a lad in Longford from Iraq I think and his nickname was "jesus of the bypass" he was always roared at by the local kids.

Spent his days walking the bypass with a Walkman.

I often wonder how he got on. Waffle over.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907656#Comment_119907656

There's a lot of lost people out there that's for sure. No meaning in their lives, convinced the media is lying to them, everything is a scam, that democracy is a swindle. Easily led by extremists on social media so there's a new hate figure every other day to explain away their spiritual misery.

It's all very sad and a bit like Orwell's Two Minutes of Hate, except it goes on all day and people do it round the clock.

A lot of unwell people out there. And we can see evidence of it on this thread.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907423#Comment_119907423

Like Renua?

Computer says no.

Thelonious Monk

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907660#Comment_119907660

Any update on the parts of London women and children wont walk around?

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907503#Comment_119907503

Actually stated by Conor Lenihan in 2006, who was minister for integation, that the census undercounted non Irish nationals, no not a new thing.

https://politics.ie/threads/census-underestimated-immigration-conor-lenihan.20747/

Larbre34

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907423#Comment_119907423

You mean with the same ethos as FG or FF?

Or do you mean nationalist like the National Party means nationalist? Which by its nature cannot be centrist.

FF and FG are for the most part very competent. If they weren't, we wouldn't be weathering this economic storm better than any other nation in Europe. The problem with being centrist (as opposed to populist or extremist), especially in Ireland, is that its a very broad church and you can only satisfy some of the people, some of the time.

But as long as the unsatisfied are merely grumbling, as opposed to burning the gaff down, you're doing your job right.

Take the Pro Life marches that happen occasionally, or the recent Cost of Living crisis marches, or the anti-vaxxer anti-lockdown marches that took place over Covid. Political issues from across the spectrum but, damp squibs all of them. Numbers in the hundreds not the thousands. Why? Cos most of the people are satisfied most of the time. And any centrist is pretty happy with that.

And thats why they do clean up at election time and have done for a hundred years.

Think about that.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907705#Comment_119907705

To be fair he did specify competent.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907717#Comment_119907717

Is he still working for Russian Oligarchs?

He was one crazy fúcker.

Still though, brings us back when the Polish were the target of the racists.

timmyntc

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907424#Comment_119907424

Vetting does not refer exclusively to criminal background checks, what a load of BS. 'To vet' is a commonly used verb which means to examine or background check something/someone to make sure they are suitable for a given subject. People presented at (air)ports in this country with no identification cannot be vetted in any way. How can you check anything about someone without any proof of identity?

As for the fingerprinting - these people in East wall are not "on the system" - if they were, they would be returned to the EU member state that first put them in the system, as per the Dublin III regulations

If an asylum seeker’s fingerprint appears to have been recorded somewhere in the EU on an earlier occasion, then the asylum seeker is liable to be returned to that country.

As an example, if an asylum seeker enters the EU through France and has his/her fingerprint taken and then travels to Ireland, he/she will be liable to be returned to France to have their asylum claim processed there.

So once again, these people being kept in East Wall are undocumented and unvetted.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907744#Comment_119907744

Creighton was competent.

Just on one was buying it.

Been hearing the same thing for decades though, so it's nothing new.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907717#Comment_119907717

Conor Lenihan is one of the biggest idiots to occupy high-office and said that without foundation.

The CSO stood over their figures. 65k Poles in Ireland in the 18 months after accession to the EU was accurate.

By the time the census preliminary data came out, usually a year after census day, of course it was out of date.

The CSO are an extremely professional organisation and model their data to the highest standards to account for uder-reporting (which is actually really low).

Mike Murdock

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907705#Comment_119907705

Renua got bogged down in issues related to religion (abortion) and they had little real talent in the party.

A PD type party “could” probably do well. The question would be, who would be the key figures within it?

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907729#Comment_119907729

The same parties that were also cleaning up when Ireland was one of the poorest in Europe backward extremely conservative religous state where pro life marches would have been celebrated from pulpit to hustings? Where being Gay, buying johnnies and divorce were verboten. Never mind lots of good oul fashioned corruption. Never mind the screwups of the celtic tiger and when it keeled over and died. Today they're in control of a decades long health crisis and the worst housing crisis in the history of the state. Well, I say in control....

Outfits like the IDA getting large foreign investment in are far more the reason why Ireland has been doing so well over the last few decades.

Mike Murdock

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907760#Comment_119907760

Creighton was the only one in the party that had any semblance of ability.

Dyr

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907710#Comment_119907710

The indigenous British are now a minority in their own capital city. Nearly 40 per cent of Londons population born outside the UK

That's all we need to know about London. An example of what not to do.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907729#Comment_119907729

There is truth in what you say but I also don't think we can entirely discount the fact that Ireland for much of its history operated on a basis that those who didn't have prospects here simply emigrated. So it was often the case that those who might be unhappy with the Big Two political parties were safely filed away in England, America and Australia.

This was probably an influential factor in how Ireland never developed the same clear Left-Right distinction as elsewhere in Western Europe. Those who might have drifted away from status quo centrism to the Left and Right were simply not around to vote. The contented class on the other hand stuck around and felt no compulsion to rock the boat too hard.

Ireland's relative success for the past 30 years has actually seen a drift away from the old status quo and what looks like the emergence of a traditional Western European spectrum with Sinn Fein seemingly taking up the centre left and Fine Gael to the centre right. The trick is ensuring that we don't end up drifting towards both extremes.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907755#Comment_119907755

I'll keep this short and sweet. You're talking pony.

You've been shown up post after post to not have a clue what you're talking about. They are identifable from both passenger manifests and when passport data and info page was captured at departute port (which is shared with and accessible to Irish authorities) They are further identifable via EU and Schengen fingerprinting system. So they're "vetted" by your bullsh*t standards (even though the use of the word unvetted is used to imply they are a danger, and specificly to women).

You've got a bee in your bonnet about Johnny Foreigner, and you're low knowledge getting your backside handed to you on the facts.

It's high time you admitted you're a soft soaper and spared everyone the boredom of what you're doing.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907760#Comment_119907760

The main reason for outfits like that failing is they're all way too far from centrist. Watered down NP types dancing at the crossroads ballsology. The PD's who were centre right, who even got the jus soli loophole closed, did pretty well for a time and for the small size of the party.

Thelonious Monk

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907794#Comment_119907794

not sure why that's relevant - the poster said women and children are afraid to walk around certain parts of london because of foreigners - i'd love to know which parts he means because i've lived here on and off for years and have never heard of these areas

but yes the economic and cultural powerhouse with possibly the best public transport in the world that is london surely isn't the way to do things

Patrick2010

No

Kieran Cuddihy on news talk just said that when “asylum seekers “ get approved their employment rate is the same as Irish people I.e 95% then goes on to interview a female teacher living with her partner in back garden shed.

road_high

No

Fantastic to see the push back of local communities suffering the consequences of dumping unvetted welfare tourists into their areas. What’s even better is the moral lecturing of the poisonous far left and their NGO Government cronies whom are heavily reliant on these peoples votes come next election. Thinking of that ginger whinger Gannon and Mary fake Lou McDonald and that ilk. Talk about trying to stop the tide lol- people have seen enough and no amount of “racist” label dog whistles will convince them otherwise- have all the “diversity” days and moralising rubbish you want yo try ram down their necks- they don’t want it

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907805#Comment_119907805

As bad if not worse than FF in contributing to the economic ruin of the country.

Extinct for a reason.

road_high

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907812#Comment_119907812

Did he give a clear statistical link to that statement? If not it’s complete horse shite. Course he needs to keep on script with his paymasters

Beasty

Yurt2 threadbanned

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907808#Comment_119907808

I dont think as a man you have any right to decide how women feel.

Men from other cultures can harass and make women feel uncomfortable in all sorts of ways and as you have never been a victim of this you wont even see what is going on. They are coming from cultures where this behaviour is normal and their women folk put up with it.

Rightly or wrongly the people living in East Wall are fearful of these male economic migrants, they need reassurance now that their area will not take an unfair share of new arrivals as if this doesnt happen then empty buildings will be torched to the ground.

lawrencesummers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907794#Comment_119907794

What not to do?

dont invade half the world and then get pissed off when they follow you home?

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907834#Comment_119907834

Meh, FG were in opposition suggesting they egg on the Tiger more. Bugger all were for dialing things back and no matter who was in power it was America catching a cold and exporting it that took us down. How that was handled is another thing of course. FF and FG ended up being two cheeks of the same arse. No wonder they can rule together.

Thelonious Monk

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907856#Comment_119907856

I didn't dictate how women feel. Your ally @ThinkAboutIt was doing this by telling us all women and children feel too afraid to walk around certain parts of London. I'm curious to know which parts they are as a current resident of London.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907801#Comment_119907801

You were mocking Ben Shapiro only a few days ago, yet you're starting to sound like those memes that mocked him.

and you're low knowledge getting your backside handed to you on the facts.

😂

Dyr

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907808#Comment_119907808

A few weeks back you were telling us that O'Connell Street and Coolock were grand and anyone who said otherwise was a snob

I wouldn't be putting much stock on your assesement of neighborhoods

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907812#Comment_119907812

Exactly.

This is the problem and not the employment rate or race. Infrastructure!!!!!

So stop screaming racism at people with valid concerns over the sustainability of such population increases.

Scream it at the racists like Philip Dwyer.

Thelonious Monk

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907904#Comment_119907904

Sure you can't mention O'Connell St without going on about people's skin colour. You must think East Wall is a total f**king kip then full of scumbags if you think Coolock is bad, yet you're on here with faux concern for the locals lol. So full of it.

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907491#Comment_119907491

I just had a thought, isn't there supposed to be a sign publicly visible i.e. on a main street so people can see proposed planning changes before permission is granted. If that wasn't the case then is the planning permission legal? Looking at Citizens Advice site, it says that before applying for planning permission there must be public notice given.

[quote] Before applying for planning permission you must give public notice of your proposals. You do this by:

• Putting a notice in a local newspaper (your local authority will have a list), and
• Putting up a site notice that can be clearly seen and read

You will find details of information that must be contained in the notices in the planning application form. Your planning application must be received by the local authority within 2 weeks of the notice appearing in the local newspaper and the site notice going up.

Note: The site notice must remain in place for at least 5 weeks from the date of receipt of the planning application. (Note, nine days over Christmas, from 24 December to 1 January, are not taken into account when calculating the 5-week period).[/quote]

So was adequate public notice given of the change of use? There should at the very least be a copy of the notice in the local newspaper and perhaps a photo of the site notice and a statement of where it was put.

Dyr

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907864#Comment_119907864

The British empire was dead on its hole by the 40s, funny how half the world didnt follow them home up until the 90s when a globalist Prime Minister was elected, eh?

Whats your excuse for the current deluge into Ireland? The Celtic Empire? 😂

Dyr

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907934#Comment_119907934

My family are from East Wall. 😂

Still better than Coolock 😂

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119908002#Comment_119908002

I remember during the BLM stuff some academic was trying to say that the Irish were guilty for slavery too because some Irish lad in America owned slaves 😂

road_high

No

The snobbish attitude of the virtue signalling classes and the far left NGO brigade towards the people of East Wall who protested at the sudden & unexpected invasion of almost 400 immigrants of unknown background is so typical of these arrogant, self-righteous, moralising virtue-signalling hypocrites.

They are getting their answer. Long live these communities and their right to voice their justified concerns.

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119908002#Comment_119908002

London was ever the same, remember growing up hearing from lads who worked there saying to me,certain areas turned black,others Asian/paki etc over space of a few months in the 50s and 60s

I think it had to do with roll out/building of new towns etc built and the vacated corporation houses being rapidly filled by the authorities of the time,the notion immigration is a new thing to there since 90s is dishonest surely....quite why people immigrate to such a poor country now is beyond me

BagofWeed

Yes

The height of Irish ignorance on display for everybody to see. Its cowardly behaviour to target people who are not the cause of our countries problems. If these idiots want to protest about housing then they should grow a pair and protest outside politician's offices or even better outside their comfy warm houses or An Bord Planeala or An Taisce offices.

road_high

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119908067#Comment_119908067

Again typical of the tone deaf smearing and talking down to these communities. If you spoke to them it isn’t housing these “migrants” that concerns them- it’s the lack of housing, services and infrastructure for the people already there. But “racist idiots” blah blah blah 😑

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119908067#Comment_119908067

Its really 50/50,many are (and should be) frustrated as fcuk at the issues facing the country,

that the authorities saw fit to unveil an office block renovated into apartments and none given to housing list/locals,was going to rightfully receive backlash and suggests they are grossly out of touch......but the backlash is misguided at the wrong people,and by and large anyone protesting a politian are vilified by the media/labeled as shinners and dismissed.....

others are happy to hitch their wagon to these protests,for own end,but not all protesting are racists....we have issues enough down here with outsiders trying to use local issues,to further their ambitions and usually end up sending em packing

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907876#Comment_119907876

FG were definitely at the back of the bus shouting drive faster.

But the PD's tried to sell everything that was and wasn't nailed down and then tried to sell the nails.

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119908090#Comment_119908090

I'd agree with that assessment.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119908081#Comment_119908081

that the authorities saw fit to unveil an office block renovated into apartments and none given to housing list/locals

It's communal living, our own have made their opinion clear on that as a temporary housing solution.

French Toast

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119907705#Comment_119907705

I dont know much about Renua but someone more competent.

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119908072#Comment_119908072

I think the correct term you're looking for is punching down. Or at least it is when they're not doing it.

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119908104#Comment_119908104

But have they been offered to the locals/homeless/housing list first?

Whole thing is reaching a boiling point around housing (daft report out today saying situation getting worse),screaming racist at anyone protesting here,only serves to deepen tensions*

*I do fully acknowledge there's those who hitch their wagon to this issue/protest who are racist,but they have been utterly rejected at ballot box and numbers at protest,vastly outnumber amount first preferences,they could realistically pick up in that/any constituency