GAA Infastructure

PeggyShippen · 15-11-2022 09:34PM

I think PUC actually would be up to standards if it got its media stuff sorted out and the temporary terrace. It would be at around 30 something thousand.

Guys the Aviva..'shed end/ havelock square end ' is awfull on TV when they show the away fans. People blurt out laughing at it. The rest of it is grand but the capacity is 20,000 less than Twickenham...40 ,000 less than Wembley. Croke Park needs and awful lot of work..all the seats need to be redone and made bigger.( I'm an average sized person and barely fit in).

Lost Ormond · 15-11-2022 09:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119879002#Comment_119879002

PuC really wouldnt. The havelock square end isnt that bad when in the ground and the size isnt going to be an issue. 50000 Is more than enough for the number of games the aviva will get and at what stage of the competition those games will be in.

PUC wouldnt be up to standard.

Croke Park seats wouldnt need to be redone or made much bigger. theyre not that bad and it wont happen anyway.

Coillte_Bhoy · 15-11-2022 10:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119878930#Comment_119878930

Might just get it over the 30k required capacity wise

Coillte_Bhoy · 15-11-2022 10:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119878825#Comment_119878825

So what is the actual standard that PUC can be brought up to and what exactly will this entail and at what cost? Also what media facillities need sorting out exactly? What are the specific requirements that need to be met?

Larbre34 · 15-11-2022 10:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119879177#Comment_119879177

It might, but there'll be no shortage of 30,000 capacity grounds across Britain that will offer far superior facilities and convenient locations fighting to host the smaller games.

Its not just the Stadiums, it's the airports, hotels, restaurants (to wine and dine the sponsors) ancillary activities, fanzone facilities and all that stuff.

And that alone is why the bid will be two 50,000+ venues in Dublin.

breezy1985 · 15-11-2022 11:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119879298#Comment_119879298

You are massively overestimating airports and restaurants in towns that would have 30k stadia in the UK outside London.

Cork would absolutely wipe the floor with English towns twice it's size if not 3 times.

zetecescort · 15-11-2022 11:16PM

the real question is who pays for any upgrades needed to Croke Park? GAA onto a winner again if its the FAI and/or the government

Fr Tod Umptious · 16-11-2022 01:33AM

This is not going to PUC full stop.

It didn't even pass the technical test for the 2023 RWC bid in 2016 when it was brand new and the RWC bar is lower than UEFA.

This is CP and the Aviva and the perennial Casement Park fantasy in the north.

Nothing else.

roadmaster · 16-11-2022 08:28AM

Interesting quotes from peter Mckenna in the media today. He says only very minor upgrades needed for CP such as LED lighting and segergeation for fans. Bucket seats to reduce capcity to 76k

munchkin_utd · 16-11-2022 10:41AM

I cant find whats required for 2028, but for 2024 theres a UEFA document laying out all thats needed . In that energy saving LED lights are only prefered but maybe thats been upgraded since officiall or inofficially, especially considering all the chatter about climate change and energy recently.

Theres a fair bit of detail on fan segregration but Uefa wants a barrier free stadium so youre only looking at a few nets here and there in the right places.

The one which will be interesting to see the solution for is the requirement for lots of area both inside the secure compound and directly outside for sponsors/ press AND parking.

https://www.uefa.com/multimediafiles/download/officialdocument/uefaorg/regulations/02/46/30/61/2463061_download.pdf

All in all, when you read the spec document you can see how the likes of inaccessable green field stadiums like Istanbul, with feck all thought for how the normal fan will get to the stadium, win bids - because so much of it is geared to catering for broadcasting, media, sponsors and VIPs and not the 60,000 odd ordinary fans there on the day.

roadmaster · 16-11-2022 11:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119879940#Comment_119879940

What did PUC fail on?

Gusser09 · 16-11-2022 11:33AM

The GAA of govt shouldnt be putting a penny into croker for a soccer tournament whilst Navan, Nebridge, aughrim, walsh Park or Dr hyde park are in a state. Its a disgrace. Im really unhappy about this.

Fr Tod Umptious · 16-11-2022 11:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119880662#Comment_119880662

Don't know exactly, but when the technical assessment for the 2023 RWC came out Ireland were third behind South Africa and France and PUC was mentioned as needing upgrades even though it was brand new.

The thing about this is it's far more than seats for fans and seats for journalists.

It's about things like "media villages" where media base themselves before and after, it about corporate facilities before, during and after the game.

It's about the security of energy supply to the above and the quality of internet access to the above.

Those live TV feeds take a fair whack of bandwidth.

It's about the training and warmup areas for teams, it's about medical facilities for teams etc.

As another poster alluded to in places like Turkey you can have a greenfield site and build all that there.

As I said the two Dublin stadiums and Dublin city is the only place that can support what is required.

FrancieBrady · 16-11-2022 11:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119880712#Comment_119880712

The bigger and better and more expensive GAA facilities become, the more they will have to look to other sports and events to support them. That's a given.

The 'a rising tide lifts all boats' principle should apply and if some investment is needed to host this and ultimately profit overall from it, then as a GAA member I see nothing intrinsically wrong with it. How the profit is spent is another matter.

breezy1985 · 16-11-2022 12:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119880712#Comment_119880712

But the work put in would be paid for using the rent of Croke Park. No work no rent so it doesn't change a single thing for Newbridge or wherever.

And the government are rightly in this for the tourism so Navan has nothing to do with this. GAA all over the country is already getting government money.

roadmaster · 16-11-2022 04:50PM

I see the magic Casement park has being put forward to day for the euros

Fr Tod Umptious · 16-11-2022 05:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119882106#Comment_119882106

Yep

But I think it's actually over it's planning problems at this stage so it's closer to being built than it every has been, but still not very close.

sligeach · 22-11-2022 12:15AM

Absolute BS being spewed on Monday Night Live. The Limerick ex player talking nonsense about where and why their success has come in in the hurling. The same applies to Dublin in the football.

breezy1985 · 22-11-2022 12:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119904716#Comment_119904716

Wrong thread.

zetecescort · 22-11-2022 11:12PM

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41012840.html

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Coillte_Bhoy · 23-11-2022 02:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119909245#Comment_119909245

Oh for crying out loud, when is this nonsense going to stop?

roadmaster · 23-11-2022 07:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119909245#Comment_119909245

The new PUC cost 99 million.This is going to be a serious upgrade. Its good to have a senior minister in your area

PeggyShippen · 23-11-2022 08:31AM

72million...rising to 120 million no doubt. Then the standard will still be below international soccer and rugby requirements. Dont forget the Gaelic Grounds is pushing on and it's more central than Fitzgerald stadium. That's another 130million... and on we go

Fr Tod Umptious · 23-11-2022 08:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119909860#Comment_119909860

Years ago in Connacht at least there was a push to make a single ground the main ground in the province, and develop that ground accordingly.

Hyde Park was the choice of the Connacht Council, but it was objected to and twarted by Mayo and Galway.

It needs to get back to that way of thinking.

Did you smash it · 23-11-2022 09:12AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119909860#Comment_119909860

But what’s the argument? That we should let many GAA grounds fall into disrepair? Killarney was a shithole when I last visited it 10 years ago. We just do nothing for another 30 years until it’s practically falling down or we just put in a couple of hundred thousand so that it looks a little better but is still a kip?

breezy1985 · 23-11-2022 09:33AM

72m is what they are asking for it might not be what they get.

Hopefully they are told to cop on. Its a very remote single code stadium it doesn't need to be a high end one. Give em a bit of money for minor upgrades but it doesn't need more than that.

Did you smash it · 23-11-2022 09:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119909952#Comment_119909952

That approach will leave a relic in a few decades if it’s not already a relic. What’s the long term plan here? Do you think it will just be passable to have it in the same state in 50 years? Do you not see that it’s eventually going to need a significant upgrade so why waste 300k on polishing a turd, just plan to do it proper.

breezy1985 · 23-11-2022 09:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119909956#Comment_119909956

I think it would be great if it was significantly upgraded but there are 32 counties to worry about and Killarney is nowhere near the most pressing issue stadium wise. Throw money at this and stadia that are currently relics will fall down now never mind 50 years.

If Kerry CB are so worried why did they recently spend money pointlessly increasing capacity with a new terrace instead of building a new one.

Pete_Cavan · 23-11-2022 09:51AM

There is no way €72m will be spent in Killarney, they'd be doing very well if they got 10% of that from the government. That meeting was just a PR stunt for Foley, she has no influence and doubt she'll be at cabinet after the reshuffle.

They don't get enough big games and I can't see a stadium there attracting many concerts, there are already facilities for acts of a certain size in the town. Conferences might do well but again lots of competition, a museum and tourist attraction could help cover operating costs but would be a drop in the ocean towards construction costs.

A full rebuild isn't realistic. They should look at replacing the existing long side terrace with what becomes the new main stand with conference facilities and museum, then tart up the other stand a bit. Capacity would obviously drop but that would be a good thing.

Gusser09 · 23-11-2022 09:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119909987#Comment_119909987

Yeh agreed. Parish Pump stuff at it's best. Munster don't need any investment really. Pairc ui Caoimh should be the croke park of the province. Let thurles, Killarney and Limerick go to shite like we have done with every ground in Leinster apart from Corker.

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