Russia - threadbanned users in OP

"no compelling reason or advantage"

Exactly, like I explained. 👍️

Turkey has the second biggest army in europe and probably from its location the second most important member of Nato, Turkey does have some Influence with russia were most other members don't. Can not aturkey being asked to leave Nato, Hungary maybe.

You've confused yourself, you didn't explain "pointless", you attributed the description (wrongly) to a situation.

To make my point easier to understand, I'll pose the following question -

Do you think the Ukrainians would consider direct NATO involvement pointless ?

Thought not !!!

The Russian military bots are being turned on major these past few days. Even our own Mick Wallace with his tweets.

They've been told the winter has set in and both sides will be just dug in trying to keep warm instead of attacking. The propaganda war online will now be kicked off big time. You can see it on other forums where unnamed users or those with fake Irish names are posting pro Russian spiel. I even saw one with an obviously stupid Irish username of a clip of a Wagner group on tiktok in an armoured troop carrier with an Irish jig played over the footage. I bet this probably was posted for every European country with their associated usernames and regional music included.

The talks for peace will grow louder from these groups. And it's not from concern for fellow man. But purely they want those responsible to get away with it. And getting away with it at the moment means Putin has achieved his goal of Nova Russia. The longer this goes on and next spring and year comes and fighting resumes means there's less chance of Nova Russia occurring and Putin being able to witness it.

But until then it's peace, peace, whilst missilling Ukraine from Russia itself and hoping Ukraine will have lost support from the European and US online population to somehow influence up the ladder. Going to be a long winter but longer for those in ukraine.

Tis painfully slow though. Nato should really be involved by now. Putin still getting away with it. Any right thinking individual or company should ostracise all Russian companies or individuals for at least the next generation over this.

Personally think Russia should be blown to high heaven over this but seemingly that's not going to happen. The best thing for Russia atm is everyone forgets the past year and goes back trading with the country. But then that makes one on a par with the rashist forces. And going by the online propaganda campaign in this country they're using the neutral card and refugee card. And some are falling for these fake Russian Irish accounts.

...long winter ahead....

Nothing pointless about NATO airpower. Just sticking to the south and not engaging anything in Russia would be a huge help and would save many Ukrainian lives.

Zelensky did add though that he thinks Ukraine are doing a good job of fighting back on social media and piercing through the wall of lies. It's by no means all bad news : the Russian terrorist state had a free run at things for around a decade with their global propaganda, but for the first time ever, it's coming under strong attack.

Saw it a few weeks ago, it’s actually sad the way the ordinary man/woman in the street was fcuked over and a country set on a path of slow decline.

Are there 7 parts?. I failed to get parts 4 and 7. I also listened to the interview re Adam Curtis being interviewed by , I think , Brand. A big playable was made on we are becoming more individualistic and this flies against trying to organise the running of a country on a communistic or democratic basis. It came across as a case or either or.

Butif we all behaved as individuals, all out exclusively for ourselves, had no interest or empathy for our fellow woman or man, I wonder how , for example , could order be maintained? , how would we resolve disputes, how would we handle disruption eg employees walking off the job when they felt like it and coming back on the job when they also felt like it, how could we hold meetings if everybody felt like turning up at different times and leaving when they felt like it and so on and on and on

IMO there would be utter chaos . So we would fast come to the conclusion that a certain amount of ‘ORDER ‘ is required in order to get things done, to move forward, more benefit is delivered all around, etc, etc.

is there not ROOM for individual behaviour BUT within a certain set of rules and regulations.

the more ‘Individual’ a country/population behaves the better Russia would like it as it leads to uncertainty/ class division/ utter chaos, etc

Here’s a YouTube link to the full 7 episodes

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9eKQjNu1CogsfzC8DvZM0SgpujW2hVUD

The rot was already there well before Gorby came to power. As I said it’s sad to see the ordinary Russian Fcuked over during the 90’s but they had 20+ years to reform their country and it’s just gotten worse. Hard to have sympathy for them now.

Its even worse that’s it’s taken a “partial mobilisation” of the general populace to even raise a small resistance to what Russia are doing in Ukraine. It smacks of a “ as long as I’m alright “ attitude. I doubt that can be changed whilst the current lot are in power.

BTW thanks to the regular posters in this thread who give updates of stuff going on in Ukraine that don’t make the headlines here it’s really appreciated. If only the ones who are so clearly brainwashed by Putins misinformation machine could be weeded out before they post their drivel and “but but the west” crap.

I was reading a military expert yesterday outlining in detail how no war crime had been committed by the Ukrainians. Just because a number of Russian soldiers had laid down on the ground, their group can not be said to have actively "surrendered", as they hadn't been checked for weapons yet and then another member of their group appeared out of nowhere and opened fire on the Ukrainians at very close range.

In other words, one of the Russian group opening fire on the captors (and hitting one of them) turns it back from being a surrender situation into an active combat one again.

It worked in the 90s and gave Europe and the western world 20 year of peace.

I know this is wrong of me, but I actually couldn't care less. Couldn't kill enough of them war criminals IMO. Just wish it was putler receiving a bullet to the head......