If you read the accounts of D-Day and the months after, there were reports of the Allies summarily executing German prisoners (read up on the Chenogne massacre for example). Bad stuff happens in wartime, it's part and parcel of the territory.
Perhaps if you had lived in Russia for a while, you would have a more balanced opinion than the one you have at the moment, gleaned from newspapers, TV and the internet? For sure, it would be an eye-opener for you and a lot of other pro -Russian posters on here, and I don't mean the Russian Bots either.
The war started when Russia sent troops into Ukraine. They did that long before 2021. Read the Budapest agreement. Tell us why Ukraine should have any faith in Russian promises.
If Russia was willing to compromise they wouldnt have invaded Ukraine and tried to take Kyiv. They wouldnt have fought a war of atrocity against civilians in Ukraine which gurantees Ukranian people will despise them for generations.
Ukraine has done very poorly out of the war. Yes thats what happens when you are invaded in an unprovoked attack.
Need to make sure they dont do very poorly out of the peace and that it is a lasting peace which leaves Ukraine safe from future Russian aggression - not merely a truce. Not another Budapest.
I'm from Dublin. I've never been to Russia. The report is 2021 before the war.
I mean this is demented. It doesn't matter why the war started? I'm lost in the bolloxolgy. Two corrupt countries fighting, ceasefire involves comprise etc. Ukraine appears to have done very poorly out of the war. I'm getting paranoid about my English now. O FFS, oiche mhaith.
who are you more inclined to support?
It's just putinbot trollery; the poor English at the start of that most recent post shows where it originated imo.
Why refer to the US state department as just 'state.' And dropped the 'the.' No '?' at the end of a question.
Read it with a faux Russian accent, though, it sounds just fine.
Just some delusional copying from Telegram.
The longer this goes on the more I get annoyed about people who try to paint Ukraine as the bad guys. Whatever about all these crimes that both sides are supposed to have carried out in the past.
Lets look at the current situation, we have a country with innocent civilians freezing and struggling due to an aggressive neighbour bombarding and destroying its energy infrastructure daily. So i don't really care about what Ukrainians are supposed to have done in the past. Lets deal with tha present and to that end there is only one country that is the problem.
And funny how the bulk of the violations in that report were under Poroshenko, or in Donbas/Luhansk..what do those have in common..
Here's a mad thought, Russia can separate itself from Ukraine by turning around and going home.
Start typing out all the war crimes and abuses varried out by Russia and give them a score out of 10.
When you are finished that next week sometime I think you will realise why you dont need to continue the list for Ukraine.
Everything that is happening in Ukraine is down to Russian interference in another sovereign country in an attempt to subvert it to Russian domination. Ukraine is attempting to free itself from corruption and Russian control to seek a future alignment with the EU and the west as a democratic country.
Not sure how you suggest they be separated. They are not two blokes outside a pub. Russia in breach of international law and multiple treaties has occupied Ukranian territory.
Has anyone read US state report on Ukraine.
https://www.state.gov/reports/2021-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/ukraine/
Significant human rights issues included credible reports of: unlawful or arbitrary killings, including extrajudicial killings by the government or its agents; torture and cases of cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment of detainees by law enforcement personnel; harsh and life-threatening prison conditions; arbitrary arrest or detention; serious problems with the independence of the judiciary; serious abuses in the Russia-led conflict in the Donbas, including physical abuses or punishment of civilians and members of armed groups held in detention facilities
Two corrupt countries having a war. One backed by NATO. I'm at a loss. Why are we not trying to separate them, stop the fighting? I find the whole thing mad.
It's a shame more people have not spoken out like Mrs Higgins.
5 years old, not even the time of the first impeachment. Probably not up to date; doesn't show the convicted ones (Stone, Manafort) or the ones on the run (Kilimnik). Kind of old news
Murky associations- All of Donald Trump’s Ties to Russia and Putin, in 7 Charts - POLITICO Magazine
At Slobozhanschyna direction Russian army shelled Starytsya of Kharkiv region, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report
"repelled Russian attacks" is a euphemism for "more dead Russians"
With any luck this is only the start.
Let them get a taste of their own medicine!
Great to see this at the heart of Mordor. This puts huge pressure on Putin. “Can’t even protect our capital”.
Russia must be ripe for much more sabotage efforts.
Meanwhile Russian are enjoying a night at the Theatre. Absolutely bonkers.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1590072232285335552
Ukrainian military repelled Russian attacks near Bilohorivka of Luhansk region and Spirne, Yakovlivka, Bakhmutske, Bakhmut, Opytne and Klischiyivka of Donetsk region, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report
"A major fire in the center of Moscow, near three railway stations connecting the Russian capital to several major cities of the country including St. Petersburg."
Fireworks-
Stop avoiding the details.
What of Crimea?
What should the negotiated peace look like and why would both sides accept it?
What concessions should be made to get people around the negotiating table?
Just shouting "Peace!" goes nowhere, bring your solutions, again, stop being a putin apologist and outline what putin should give up on and why he would.
Or just admit you don't have a clue or waffle around it again, up to you.
All I know is those Russians are stark raving mad. It seems to me that its now some kind of Kremlin policy to be as unhinged as possable in order to scare Ukraine's people and the wider Europe.
It could be that the Russian mobilized soldiers were ordered to shoot their way out of a surrender. I vaguely remember something about them being given grenades 'in case of capture' or something along those lines.
Read some history of USSR leaders, it’s not something unexpected.
I'm inclined to think the American Civil War would count as well. I mean, yes, there was in theory a surrender ceremony, but when your enemy's army is marching right across your countryside, burning or gifting cities as he goes and there's nothing much you can do about it, the difference is sortof academic.
Falklands would be another case in point. British muscled through everything that the Argentinians could throw at them and isolated the last significant garrison at Stanley. The end was not in doubt, only the question of how many more people would die.
I think the rough translation is "pleaaaasee don't beat the Russians"
The best meme I've seen on the Russian mindset is that Russias borders mark the places where someone kicked the **** out of them.
I suggest we send em back to the 90s and keep em there for a few decades. The Germans and Japanese had to be dismantled before they got the message. Long overdue.
I know this is wrong of me, but I actually couldn't care less. Couldn't kill enough of them war criminals IMO. Just wish it was putler receiving a bullet to the head......
"no war in hundreds of years has ended on the field" . I suppose this includes WW2, technically there were negotiations at the end. But it ended in total defeat and unconditional surrender for the Axis powers. If this was does not end in a comprehensive defeat for Russia, they wiii be back, and more dangerous than ever.
Comparisons with Afghanistan are a bit ridiculous.
It worked in the 90s and gave Europe and the western world 20 year of peace.
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