IAEA: Powerful explosions shook the area of Ukraine's Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) yesterday evening and again this morning. IAEA team on site says there had been damage done to some buildings, systems and equipment at the ZNPP
It could easily end in civil war there too and for reasons you have listed ,
I think risking a civil war breaking out,via increasing societal breakdown,in a country with nuclear weapons is lunacy tbh
Ah yes,unable to discuss the subject matter or disseminate it,resort to insults🤣🤣🤣
Instigate em by holding them and inviting all sides to
Not really complicated stuff,the notion Ukraine will dispell em by force of arms or these sanctions will cause em to pack up tent overnight is perhaps delusional however,
the yanks ended up holding peace talks with the Taliban,despite holding all the cards,no war in hundreds of years has ended on the field,quite why anyone who suggests this war will end in negotiations at a table and not on the field,is to be abused and shouted delusional at,is beyond me🤷.....
but sure if yous don't want to hear any facts,and stick to dogma,cheerleading and wondering why by end next year,100s of thousands more have died in entirely preventable violence....how long until the shelling at that nuclear plant ends in disaster??
I was reading a military expert yesterday outlining in detail how no war crime had been committed by the Ukrainians. Just because a number of Russian soldiers had laid down on the ground, their group can not be said to have actively "surrendered", as they hadn't been checked for weapons yet and then another member of their group appeared out of nowhere and opened fire on the Ukrainians at very close range.
In other words, one of the Russian group opening fire on the captors (and hitting one of them) turns it back from being a surrender situation into an active combat one again.
Description:
While much of the narrative around the early stages of Russia's 2022 invasion centre on the battle for Kyiv and the reverses Russia suffered there, in the South, the Russian invasion was altogether more successful in its opening moves.
Advancing from Crimea, the Russians rapidly secured a number of critical positions in the South of the country, including a regional capital on the right bank of the Dnipro, the city of Kherson.
The fighting to take back Kherson would be some of the hardest for Ukrainian forces. They would face a number of high quality Russian units who were heavily dug in, and they would do it over unfavourable ground.
The fighting would take months and claim many lines before the final Russian withdrawal in November.
This is the story of that campaign - from the city's fall to its liberation, along with some of the lessons and observations that we can (with admittedly low confidence levels) make using the data available so far.
Here’s a YouTube link to the full 7 episodes
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9eKQjNu1CogsfzC8DvZM0SgpujW2hVUD
The rot was already there well before Gorby came to power. As I said it’s sad to see the ordinary Russian Fcuked over during the 90’s but they had 20+ years to reform their country and it’s just gotten worse. Hard to have sympathy for them now.
Its even worse that’s it’s taken a “partial mobilisation” of the general populace to even raise a small resistance to what Russia are doing in Ukraine. It smacks of a “ as long as I’m alright “ attitude. I doubt that can be changed whilst the current lot are in power.
BTW thanks to the regular posters in this thread who give updates of stuff going on in Ukraine that don’t make the headlines here it’s really appreciated. If only the ones who are so clearly brainwashed by Putins misinformation machine could be weeded out before they post their drivel and “but but the west” crap.
Slow motion video of the 'surrendering' Russians firing on Ukrainians first-
Are there 7 parts?. I failed to get parts 4 and 7. I also listened to the interview re Adam Curtis being interviewed by , I think , Brand. A big playable was made on we are becoming more individualistic and this flies against trying to organise the running of a country on a communistic or democratic basis. It came across as a case or either or.
Butif we all behaved as individuals, all out exclusively for ourselves, had no interest or empathy for our fellow woman or man, I wonder how , for example , could order be maintained? , how would we resolve disputes, how would we handle disruption eg employees walking off the job when they felt like it and coming back on the job when they also felt like it, how could we hold meetings if everybody felt like turning up at different times and leaving when they felt like it and so on and on and on
IMO there would be utter chaos . So we would fast come to the conclusion that a certain amount of ‘ORDER ‘ is required in order to get things done, to move forward, more benefit is delivered all around, etc, etc.
is there not ROOM for individual behaviour BUT within a certain set of rules and regulations.
the more ‘Individual’ a country/population behaves the better Russia would like it as it leads to uncertainty/ class division/ utter chaos, etc
The whole system there is so fundamentally dysfunctional and corrupt that it seems impossible to fix. Amazing documentary.
Saw it a few weeks ago, it’s actually sad the way the ordinary man/woman in the street was fcuked over and a country set on a path of slow decline.
Just finished the 7 hours of trauma zone. wow, greed greed greed.
Zelensky did add though that he thinks Ukraine are doing a good job of fighting back on social media and piercing through the wall of lies. It's by no means all bad news : the Russian terrorist state had a free run at things for around a decade with their global propaganda, but for the first time ever, it's coming under strong attack.
It’s comparable to the way cults attract members. It just happens rapidly, globally and virtually now. They always target people who are susceptible to being manipulated.
Hard not to blame news channels too though. Constant stream of bad news, Culture wars. Hardly ever anything positive. Climate doom. You eventually train Weaker minds like a kind of brainwashing. Unable to critically think just accept what's reported and assume it's fact.
Zelensky in his address to Irish universities yesterday spoke about the info war on social media and how Russian has been grooming useful idiots throughout the world for years with misinformation and lies - there's an endless amount of cranks, conspiracy theorists, social misfits etc willing to lap this stuff up.
He also made the interesting point that it is much easier to spread lies and negativity on social media than it is to spread good news and the truth.
Nothing pointless about NATO airpower. Just sticking to the south and not engaging anything in Russia would be a huge help and would save many Ukrainian lives.
Poland alone would have the entire Russian Army beaten in weeks.
The Ukrainian forces are beating the tar out of them and they is only moderate support from primarily US and Britain, in terms of those countries respective Military budgets, it's tiny.
The global concern is not a war between Russia and NATO, that's so one sided that most NATO dead would be accidental than combat casualties.
It's that Russia will not be able to keep it's structure with its now depleted and humiliated army and will become an arc of conflict from Europe to the far East. It would be this crisis at a massive magnitude.
Ukraine won't benefit from a collapsed Russia, no one will.
The Russian military bots are being turned on major these past few days. Even our own Mick Wallace with his tweets.
They've been told the winter has set in and both sides will be just dug in trying to keep warm instead of attacking. The propaganda war online will now be kicked off big time. You can see it on other forums where unnamed users or those with fake Irish names are posting pro Russian spiel. I even saw one with an obviously stupid Irish username of a clip of a Wagner group on tiktok in an armoured troop carrier with an Irish jig played over the footage. I bet this probably was posted for every European country with their associated usernames and regional music included.
The talks for peace will grow louder from these groups. And it's not from concern for fellow man. But purely they want those responsible to get away with it. And getting away with it at the moment means Putin has achieved his goal of Nova Russia. The longer this goes on and next spring and year comes and fighting resumes means there's less chance of Nova Russia occurring and Putin being able to witness it.
But until then it's peace, peace, whilst missilling Ukraine from Russia itself and hoping Ukraine will have lost support from the European and US online population to somehow influence up the ladder. Going to be a long winter but longer for those in ukraine.
Tis painfully slow though. Nato should really be involved by now. Putin still getting away with it. Any right thinking individual or company should ostracise all Russian companies or individuals for at least the next generation over this.
Personally think Russia should be blown to high heaven over this but seemingly that's not going to happen. The best thing for Russia atm is everyone forgets the past year and goes back trading with the country. But then that makes one on a par with the rashist forces. And going by the online propaganda campaign in this country they're using the neutral card and refugee card. And some are falling for these fake Russian Irish accounts.
...long winter ahead....
I think the trouble is there is no mechanism for removing or suspending a NATO member and the EU are morally gutless.
You've confused yourself, you didn't explain "pointless", you attributed the description (wrongly) to a situation.
To make my point easier to understand, I'll pose the following question -
Do you think the Ukrainians would consider direct NATO involvement pointless ?
Thought not !!!
Would agree with you I think. Unfortunately, doesn't look (to me?) like the will is there to give the Ukrainians all the tools they need to push Russia back at a faster rate either.
Either cowardice/fear or indecision seems to be a blocker (IMO). The Western support seems to be calibrated to containing damage Russia can do & protecting Ukraine as much as possible without provoking Putin too much (e.g. if Ukraine successfully attacks across the border with Russia more often/more effectively, or into Crimea with new capabilities) or risking the Russian regime collapsing in chaos due to a complete rout in Ukraine.
This is a dangerously unstable situation that could be shifted by Russia wising up/improving in how they wage the war over time or getting more outside support.
I suppose I worry the strong support from fellow scumbags in Iran is possibly a harbinger and the longer this drags on + Russia is still doing poorly but carrying on fighting (and bombing Ukraine) some others that hate the US/Europe/West may get up courage to crawl out of the woodwork to give them a boost. That obviously will not be good for Ukraine or its people.
It is risky of course to go further in arming Ukraine, and send even more weapons that give them new capabilities to attack Russia's military, but I think trying to carefully judge and calibrate the support also may have some risks as well.
Turkey has the second biggest army in europe and probably from its location the second most important member of Nato, Turkey does have some Influence with russia were most other members don't. Can not aturkey being asked to leave Nato, Hungary maybe.
No one is suggesting that NATO & allies should put boots on the ground at the moment. But that they could provide an aerial defensive role in terms of implementing a no fly zone.
Turkey have a role here
I just do not know how this is going to end Putin still has support from fellow tyrants and even if his army are driven out he can keep going and almost destroy Ukraine from a distance .No way will he stop and accept a deal and then drop all his ambitions.Russia is well used to hardship and long drawn out conflicts not sure a lot of euro countries are especially when the people feel it in the pocket .
"no compelling reason or advantage"
Exactly, like I explained. 👍️
What about ‘suspending ‘ the NATO membership , as least , of Turkey and Hungary until the UKR issue is resolved. And their return to NATO will depend on how they behave in the meantime.
Nato are content giving arms and training to Ukraine, can't honestly see them wanting their troops on the ground. It would then be a war of Nato vs Russia. Russia wouldn't stand a chance in military terms. It would be a big risk with a madman with his finger on the button. America wants a weak Russia not a defeated Russia. Last thing Nato wants is Eastern Russia to fall to China. That would scare the **** out of Nato.
In my book "pointless" means "no compelling reason or advantage"
How about "worth the risk" ?
I assume that NATO/ Ukr know exactly where all/most of the Bombs/missiles are being launche d from. Would it make logical/technical political sense for Ukr to inform Russia that any missile launched from Russian soil as on and from 01/01/2023 that that spot and ,say, one kilometre radius around that spots will be immediately targeted with a view to knocking out that launcher. And, we , the Ukr army, will send you the information /photos to you ,The Ru, to prove that you, the Ru , did fire it.
Our reason for the retaliation is that we think that it is not right and very unfair of you to be hurting our private citizens , depriving them of water , heat, transport, etc.
you know where we are if you want to fight us
And feel free to contact us if you think our above action re retaliation is not justified and we will consider any suggestions made.
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