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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,801 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Did some say a while back that Russian soldiers aren't allowed phones? Is that just the grunts? Maybe this is other UE?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Ukrainian military entering Kherson

    big news

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,692 ✭✭✭Rawr


    The Russians bugging out of Kherson without a fight is one of the outcomes I was hoping for (mostly for the safety of the civilians there).

    But all of this leaves me wondering; What got the Russian commanders to finally pull the plug on this? I'm pretty certain that Russian thinking until pretty recently was to have Kherson as part of their new Russian oblasts (why bother with a sham Referendum otherwise?). They mightn't get all of Ukraine, but at least maybe they could have this bastion on the south coast. But now they are leaving wholesale and I can't help but wonder what factor has made this come to pass.

    The Ukrainians fear a trap in Kherson, which is a reasonable fear, but I don't think the Russians should be given that much credit. Blowing up the nearby dam to destroy the city is a super-villain level of evil, which isn't impossible but I don't think is likely either (Crimea's water is dependent on it too). Beyond their already dire military / logistics situation I'm wondering if they've finally realised that they simply don't have enough of anything to hold their frontline long term or into the harsh winter. Maybe, they are trying to build a new smaller front around Crimea, and possibly around as much of the Donbass that they can manage.

    With any luck, that new smaller frontline will be equally difficult for them to maintain, leading to their eventual eviction from Ukraine. (Hopefully)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,692 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Flag waving crowds also being reporting in Kherson's central square. Ukraine might already have the city. LiveUAmaps already have most of the territory recoloured to blue.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa



    Remember Putin proclaimed Kherson eternally Russian, what, 6 weeks ago? 

    Even the lamp posts know what country they're actually in.

    lamp-posts.jpg




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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Christmas comes early for non Putin lickspittles.

    Can only hope this humiliation culminates in Putin's downfall and a more reasonable ( and realistic) czar takes over in mother (fukker) Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Historically the Russians are happy to fail so long as their failures are inflicting collateral damage on their opponents, they take the attitude that most other nations can't sustain the amount of punishment that Russia can and its paid off for them before, Finland, Japan, Germany all walloped Russia but it ended with Russia winning by default.

    This is why Vlad is hammering civilian infrastructure in Ukraine. Very important the west holds its nerve but with the likes of Macron and Scholz calling the shots in Europe, Russia will really work on encouraging the west to bottle it. The media event obssessed nature of politics means that "something" needs to be seen to come out of the G20 summit, so expect some other dozy peace plan a la Minsk to appear

    Not sure, Kherson was of much tactical use to Russia anymore, they needed it as a bridgehead on the other side of the Dnipro to strike towards Odessa but thats not going to happen now. The Ukrainians see it more a symbolic and moral win rather than a tactical one right now, given the difficulty they'd have crossing the Dnipro. They might be able to mallet supply routes into Crimea now, which is handy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    You may be disappointed - the most likely alternative to Putin right now could well be Prigozhin, owner of Wagner PMC.

    He has been steadily gaining influence over there, and likely would be more radical than putin



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Let him be more radical than Putin. Russia is a busted flush - let it puff out its chest just like Kim the Kretin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    He's an oligarch, a businessman too. What Russia are currently engaged in is bad for business. First step, decapitate the current regime, take over then consolidate and rebuild wealth. After that, who knows - maybe more military adventures. But in a bad place at the moment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    If you just want details about what is happening on the ground I would recommend this daily podcast.

    What I like about it is that the bulk of the content is regional updates where they talk about what has changed on the ground in each of the active war zones. They use both Russian and Ukrainian sources although they themselves are clearly pro-Ukraine.

    It's typically about 25-35 minutes each day so it's detailed enough.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,759 ✭✭✭weisses


    Now ... Get 70% of the UA forces in kherson to bakhmut straight away for "operation humiliation" round 2



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,033 ✭✭✭jmreire


    If local Ukrainians recognize any Russians amongst them, I would not give much for the Russians chances of survival.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,653 ✭✭✭✭Supercell




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    No way that the sanctions end under a figure like him.

    The real problem for Russia is there's no clear way out. Putin has killed or muzzled any opposition figures and created a power vertical based on himself. There's no Gorbachev-style reformer waiting in the wings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,801 ✭✭✭✭josip


    The frontline in the south along the Dnipro as far as Zaphorizhzhia will now become solely an attritional battle of equipment. And we know which side have the M777s and HIMARS. Infantry will be irrelevant and will be redeployed eastwards. For Ukraine this I expect will be over time and after R&R. I don't know if Russia has similar rotation of troops or if they just keep them at the front until their dead/wounded/victorious. I'm not sure who will benefit most from these extra troops in the east, especially with winter approaching. They will need to be properly kitted out if they are to be of benefit and not to become a frostbitten overhead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,094 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    If reading anything from a Russian source is so upsetting to you, I suggest you use the block feature.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,033 ✭✭✭jmreire


    But it's the truth, nothing was lost. They know exactly where every piece of equipment is!!! It's now in Ukrainian hands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,094 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    It looks like the bridge that's next the Kakhovska dam has been heavily damaged as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,575 ✭✭✭rogber


    In fairness, that's a very generous definition of "crowd"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,094 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Last major town in Kherson has been liberated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Simply reposting Russian propaganda without contextualizing it is not helpful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭interlocked


    The Ukrainians can now outrange the Russian artillery and pick their targets at their leisure, without the danger of counterattack.

    Going to be a lot of rats nests exterminated.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Imagine Putin exposes Russia for the poorly-equipped military force that they are and all for an ego massage.

    They annex a region in Ukraine and then run away from it within weeks. Embarrassing.

    I know they have nuclear weapons but who is actually equipped enough to use them properly? They’re so badly exposed.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    While that is true it is also true that the Russian missiles can outrange the Ukrainians and can be launched from deep inside Russia/Belarus without issue and to great effect.

    Granted the stocks are limited but they are using them effectively.

    Then there is also the drone swarms.

    In other words Ukrainian artillery is looking to take out military targets, whereas Russian munitions are just looking to do damage, doesn't matter to what



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭Field east


    What gets no traction here is the ‘fact’ IMO that Russia has to be constantly at war with someone to show to its population that the motherland is under threat and therefor , I Mr Putin will react to protect you. And because of the desire of the continual Russian leadership to be the most powerful state in the world it try’s to achieve this in two ways ie

    (1) have a powerful army and backed up by nukes in case the army ‘ wants to take a bit of a break’

    (2) interfere in the business of other states to weaken them, sow division, create mistrust, interfere in election processes, steal information, etc,etc ,etc ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's mind boggling that Putin held a "referendum' in the middle of a very active war zone and the city was lost a few short weeks later. One of the most bizarre events in European political or military history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭macraignil


    "Russian missiles can outrange the Ukrainians and can be launched from deep inside Russia/Belarus without issue and to great effect.

    Granted the stocks are limited but they are using them effectively."

    Not sure I agree that targeting civilian infrastructure can be described as great effect. Having to get water from tanked supplies, heating from solid fuels, light from candles and battery powered lights and emergency generators running at essential services sites may be uncomfortable for Ukraine but is it going to be effective in helping russia win anything?

    I saw an article that claimed the missiles fired after the last major attack Ukraine made on the russian navy boats cost russia about $750,000,000 and although they may have caused damage it looks like russia has depleted its stocks and increasingly using these is being met with an improved air defense in Ukraine so less and less of their investment in destructive missiles and drones is doing anything for them.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Yes, by their own definition a Russian city just fell to foreign invaders.

    Good luck to the propagandists trying to spin that one!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,848 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Obama chickened out histor will not be kind to his legacy

    I disagree. Obama was a great lPresident. He was just restricted in what he could do by not having control of the houses. I am sure if the Senste and the House of Reoresentitives had of been on his side he would have been the greatest president America ever had unlike that Clown Trump. Now there is someone history will not be kind to if it even remembers him at all. Personally I would wipe the slate clean forget Trump was ever President of the USA because he was more like a Clown yes with a capital C.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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