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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    I half expect the CIA are very nervous about some of its high tec US hardware finding its way to China V Iran or Russia. China is on the CIA's mind more so than Russia. Russia is beaten and done for. We can't expect the US to empty out its top-drawer gear just like that. Things are working for Ukraine right now and that is the important part. Incidentally, China is likely thinking the same thing which is that they are not really helping Russia with high-end weapons. What Iran and North Korea have is basically copies of Russian stuff.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,751 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Morale requires that the next Russian move has to be big push with strategic significance. Where will that be? They have been degrading Ukraine's infrastructure (water & electricity). They are building camps in the Brest area of western Belarus, likely with a view to disrupt the flow of materials from Poland over the course of the next few months. Whats the climate like around the Black sea during the Winter?

    Little public movement on the diplomatic front.

    Zelenskyy outlined five conditions for negotiations on Monday, including ones he’s said before, like the restoration of Ukraine’s territorial integrity, the punishment of war crimes and reparations. What he didn’t say, unlike in past announcements, was that Putin must be out of power before such conversations can take place. source


    American and European leaders see their goal for now as keeping a protracted war contained to Ukraine and deterring Mr. Putin from using a tactical nuclear warhead or other weapon of mass destruction. Officials debate whether Mr. Putin is bluffing when he hints at using nuclear arms, but some analysts believe that control of Crimea, home to Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, could be a red line for the Russian leader. source

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,953 ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    US General estimates 100,000 dead or injured on both sides, 40,00 dead civilians. F'in hell




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    There was never, ever a point to this war in the first place. Just some made up rhetoric about Nazis in Ukraine. It was an attempted land grab that has since gone pear shaped to say the least.

    And the Ukrainian civilians have suffered the most. I don't care for the Russian losses, that's their own fault.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    In which case, they could be pushing the bounds with Poland. As for Belarus, they may as well give up pretence at this stage and rejoin Russia. And if their citizenry don't agree with this, they should rise up and overthrow.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    The business end of Sovolyov's crack pipe must be red hot from all the puffing he's been doing. The way he harkens back to Russia's empire...he still thinks its right and proper for Russia to have an empire at the expense of its neighbours, and so it seems does the rest of Russia. He seems blissfully unaware that miitary imperialism is no longer acceptable in the civilised world and doesn't even consider that maybe Russia should spend a couple of decades getting its own house in order before fretting about how other countries do things. Russia's sense of exceptionalism and talent for self delusion and self-destruction effectively makes them the Brits of eastern Europe. It's as if Jim Royle was demanding to run the houses of his gainfuly-employed neighbours because he had a right to and had a better system to give them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,101 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    When the Soviet Union collapsed, Ukraine had on its territory the world's third largest nuclear arsenal. It was bigger than Britain, France and China combined. And the Ukrainians were prepared to eliminate that arsenal to transfer the warheads to Russia for their dismantlement, but the Ukrainians asked for certain things. And one was security assurances that the United States and Russia would pay attention and respect Ukraine's independence, sovereignty, territorial integrity, that there would be no use of force or threat of force against Ukraine.And the 1994 Budapest Memorandum of Security Assurances was the document that reflects those commitments by the United States. And Russia also joined by Great Britain to extend to Ukraine those assurances, including respect for its territorial integrity...

    but there was certainly at the time a clear understanding in Washington that the United States would react.

    https://www.npr.org/2014/03/09/288298641/the-role-of-1994-nuclear-agreement-in-ukraines-current-state

    Now I know it's very popular amongst those who place great store in 'diplomacy' - which I don't - and those of that mindset seemingly love to argue about how many angels you can get on the head of a pin, and try to argue that an assurance of integrity against agression actually means no one would lift a finger in a practical sense, and that Ukraine knew this, but I doubt that is what Ukraine really thought or 'knew'.

    Ukraine was tricked into giving up it's nuclear arsenal and the US was very much a party to that due to their obsession for non-proliferation. had Ukraine retained just 5 warheads and the means to deliver them, Russia would never have invaded. Had Biden put US troops on the ground in Ukraine prior to the invasion for 'exercises', Russia would not have invaded.

    The US, as usual, has a lot of blood on it's hands. And they are being just as mealy mouthed with words and deeds now as they were in 1994.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,825 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    You're talking out of your hole

    Which country invaded which? Russia invaded Ukraine. It is not the US's fault.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    We've had to listen to those ****s and their numerous groupies on social media going on about "eight years of genocide in the Donbas". Official estimates are that about 3000 civilians were killed in Donbas in that eight year period, most of them caught up in crossfire and not deliberately targeted.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yep. The Russian supporters witter on about the dollar and "American hegemony" and the want for a "multipolar" world. The reason this all lives rent free in their head is because there's already a multipolar world(the top 3 being US, EU, China) but they're quite simply not a part of it any more. The Soviet Union was, the ying to the "West's" yang, an actual superpower with rockets and nukes and Caspian sea monsters and her own internal economy, but when that went kaput... Russia is now effectively a fuel station and that's about it.

    Even their much talked about BRICS has them way down the pecking order. China and India's economies are way bigger and Brazil's not far off, if not already bigger? They're even playing second fiddle in that setup. This silly war of theirs has further blown away any vestiges of superpower they had. When you have to go to Iran and North Korea for weapons... They've shot themselves in the feet with both barrels and they keep reloading.

    Now one can argue the pros and cons of the dollar being the main primary reserve currency of the world, but it is what it is and the rouble is almost entirely an internal currency kept bouyant by various factors including deft accountancy(their financial minister lass that wanted to resign but couldn't has played a blinder there to be fair) that nobody but Russians actually want.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    No, you are. Read the full post, don't just blindly react to something you do not comprehend, Mr. USA fanboi.

    The fault for the current war lies squarely on Russian shoulders and Russia must be severely punished for it. However, Ukraine has given up nucs in exchange for security guarantees. Where was the US in 2014 when chunks of Ukraine were taken over by Russia? Besides the cost of limited sanctions, Russia was able to get away with it, which led to the current war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Would suggest to me that the Biden administration is losing interest in keeping thie show on the road and want it all squared away via peace talks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,101 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I'd suggest you direct your enquiries to the Horde embassy, I believe they have their contact details and IBAN numbers on file.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,825 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Mr USA fanboi?

    My initial reply was to a statement that the war was "largely the US's fault". It isn't largely the US's fault. It is largely Russia's fault. Russia invaded using false pretences.

    Maybe you should take some of your own advice and read the full posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Ukrainian military liberated Snihurivka of Mykolaiv region

    yellow pack ribbons are having their cake and eating it too

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,101 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I was taking for granted that the Horde are mostly to blame, in the sense that it's in their nature to be scum.

    Let's say you have a neighbour who is a known scum bag, whom the police know well is armed to the teeth, having a home full of weapons, and a history of attacking other neighbours regularly.

    These delightfully civilised and well meaning police people, catch wind that you have a licensed shot gun in your home that you legitiamately own, but they come to your house and convince you to give them your shotgun, for no other reason than they don't like anyone having weapons, other than themselves and your neighbour of course, whom they are too scared of to do anything about. They give you assurances that your family's safety is assured in their hands and so you stupidly believe them and hand over your shotgun.

    A week later your neighbour comes over and say's he's heard you might be thinking of joining neighbourhood watch, and that he doesn't like it and that's it up to him what you do and don't do, and he then renders you unconscious, barges into your house and rapes and murders your children and your wife.

    Now yes, we all get that he's to blame, that goes with out saying, which is why I didn't say it, but the police are also very much responsible for what happened because they disarmed you and failed to protect you as promised.

    Now you are perfectly entitled to think the police/US are completely blameless, but I don't, so we'll just have to have different opinions about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,825 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Fair enough. There was nuance in your post that wasn't entirely clear. We're largely in agreement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭zv2


    I'd lose no sleep if Russia imploded. What happens after that - and something must happen - is yet to be decided.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,020 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    And didn't Russia agree not to invade as part of the same agreement, to honour the integrity of Ukraine too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭zv2


    An interesting perspective from a Twitter post-

    Russia mobilized 300,000 conscripts for the Battle of #Kherson and then fled Kherson.

    That's 300,000 troops who now have to be paid by Russia for a battle they were supposed

    to be sent to die in specifically so that Russia didn't have to pay them.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,033 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The real reason for Russia publicly admitting these failures (BTW, they are not "Failures"., they are strategic operations.) is damage limitation. They cannot cover up what is happening, its simply impossible, so instead they try to control the narrative. We are only doing this out of regard for our soldiers and people. And of course, it's only temporary. And it's 100% for home consumption, and does not fool anyone in the west, and increasingly, less and less Russians believe it either. Wait until the full impact of the death toll on the Limited Mobilization conscripts are felt.

    Yes, you are right about the dragons teeth ect. The digging in and dragons' teeth in defense lines is likewise for home consumption, and maybe to bolster soldiers' moral. " Look, we are preparing defenses that will stop the Ukrainian advance." You will be safer now.

    While a lot of the fighting will involve drones, rockets and aircraft, unfortunately the fact is that the there will always be close contact fighting.....for example when Ukrainian forces start to clear out the inhabited areas, citys, towns and villages + forest areas.

    And you are right about the Iranian (and other) drones being a hard threat that will have to be countered too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,330 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    yes and both Russia and Nato agreed to gaurantee Ukraine if it was attacked by the other side. Obama chickened out histor will not be kind to his legacy

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,101 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Yes, of course they did, but Russian's take a sort of national pride in lying and dishonesty. They have a special word vranyo - for transparent lies that everyone involved know and expect to be lies. And as if that isn't enough to clue you to their weird fetishising of lying, they have maskirovka, which is where you use deceit in a military and propaganda sense to defeat your enemies with your cunning slyness. Shades of Baldrick outwitting everyone with his cunning plans.

    Actually, I think those wooden Matryoshka dolls, where what you get isn't what you might expect, are also symptomatic of this Russian preoccupation with making a virtue out of deception.

    Post edited by cnocbui on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,916 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    @[Deleted User] they are obviously satanists.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    That's some precision striking. WHY did they hang around, to give aid to comrades. Commendable, but they were clearly being targeted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,033 ✭✭✭jmreire




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  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If it did implode what you would see is multiple wars kicking off. The Russian Federation, same as the USSR before it, keeps a lid on a lot of rivalries

    • Armenia vs Azerbaijan
    • Chechnia
    • Georgia
    • etc


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