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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Sholz went to China recently to further relationships with Xi. Many in the coalition were against the move while Macron wanted to go with him. Scholz declined the offer, Germany only really care about €€ and nothing else



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Seems we in the west knew the condition and what was in the Stores. 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Takes time to pack up the washing machine and all that. Especially while extremely hammered drunk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    President Zelensky: 41 settlements were liberated in the South of Ukraine

    There will be many jokes told about tonight's theatrics once he gets back to his proper job

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This is the top story in the Telegraph this evening. And I’ve heard the exact same thing on two different radio stations today as I was diving across the country. A former British army intelligence officer on Times radio and an American military analyst on Radio 4

    The US is urging Ukraine to use a "window of opportunity" for peace talks to end the war, as world leaders prepare for a showdown with Vladimir Putin at next week’s G20 summit.

    A top US general said a lull in fighting over winter might open the door to a negotiated settlement, as White House officials hold direct talks with the Kremlin.”

    It does seem, from multiple sources, like the White House is in direct talks with the Kremlin right now. Wonder if we will see a withdrawal of Russian troops sooner rather than later now the nuclear bluff has failed



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I've given up on most of the youtube commentators who give updates on the war. About the only ones I watch now are:

    Reporting from Ukraine - usually 5 min or less daily update. Very condensed, goes very much into the tactics and has very little waffle. Still a pro-Ukraine source but not overly so and will go into a lot of details on Ukraine losses and mistakes too without issue

    Perun - An Aussie commentator, publishes a new vid once a week, Sundays, usually an hour long. Goes into insane detail on one topic a week, some Ukraine related, some not. Well worth a watch if you like doing deep dives into topics

    William Spaniel - A guy with a background in game theory, probability and stats, he randomly publishes good vids delving into various aspects of the war, what likely results/outcomes might be, who the winners and losers will be and impacts of various strategies etc. Typically about 10-15 mins in length

    So who else is good and worth watching?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,604 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Churchill! He was a racist who had little time for many races. He called the Indians a beastly race with a beastly religion. He directly ordered the slaughter of thousands of Bengalis. I don't believe the Irish were very high on his popular list either. All in all Churchill was a drunk who was fortunate to come out on the winning side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    The top 2 are quality. I never heard of the third one. Will check it out, thanks.


    Away from the military side of things Vlad Vexler is very insightful on the Russian pysche. It helps that he's a Russian himself who moved to the west and is a philosopher:




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    He was still going through the denial stage there. Has since reached acceptance 😅



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  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A few things I see wrong with that.

    Firstly, the Ukrainians look like they are full steam ahead on going back to 2014 borders and this has been stated many, many times. They have no interest in anything else.

    Second, NATO, the US etc will find it difficult to convince them to cede additional territory so whatever about settling at the pre-war lines, there is no way in hell Ukraine will allow Russia to gain a single acre from this invasion.

    Third, given the level of consistent support the west has given, it will be difficult to just say to Ukraine "soz, you're on your own if you don't accept this" as there would be little to stop Ukraine publicizing this. Public support for Ukraine is still very, very high so this option would not fly with voters and would see western govts come under a lot of pressure.

    Fourth, the west knows they have to bloody the nose of Russia in Ukraine otherwise Poland, Estonia, Finland, Latvia etc will be next. Russia can't be allowed to paint this as a victory in any way otherwise they'll be moving on to the next item on their shopping list.

    Lastly, there is no gain for Ukraine in compromise and everything to gain for Russia. Russia wants 3 things

    1. Stop Ukraine from developing its oil & gas as it would displace Russia as it could produce cheaper and have easier access to ready made markets
      1. It does this by holding on to Crimea and the Donbas
    2. Stop Ukraine from joining NATO
      1. It does this by holding on to Crimea and the Donbas and causing disruption and skirmishes and inciting "republics" to develop
    3. Stop Ukraine from joining the EU
      1. It does this by holding Crimea and the Donbas, causing mass refugee swarms to cause huge pressures in the EU. This will further the rise of the far-right in the EU and will allow for more pro-Russian heads of state to get into power who can then block Ukraine in the same way Hungary is blocking Finland and Sweden from NATO. Also, regarding refugees, if you thought it was bad before, wait until you see how its going to go once winter comes and Russia keeps knocking out the heat & power. There could be twice as many flooding into the EU

    If Ukraine wants to join the EU or NATO then it must gain 100% control of its territory. Without that, it will never be able to control its own destiny



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    My understanding is that it mostly feeds the water irrigation systems in Crimea, rather than civilian water supply


    The Telegraph and the Times daily podcasts on Youtube are actually well worth a listen for a daily update and analysis.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Telegraph and the Times daily podcasts on Youtube are actually well worth a listen for a daily update and analysis.

    The Telegraph I haven't looked at so I'll check it out.

    I gave up on the Times. Too much yapping and opinion, not enough actual info. They do have some good ones, especially when there's a General or someone on to speak as they pretty much get to the point, but mostly its lads trying to fill airtime which is just annoying to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,475 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,818 ✭✭✭threeball


    There's no way the downing of the Malaysian airline should have been taken as lightly as it was at the time. Innocent lives snuffed out, children falling 30,000ft from the sky. That one incident should have seen Russia sanctioned to death. But they were far more interested in cheap oil and gas than they were in their citizens lives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    In fairness, 4,000 men of 30th Brigade did pretty much that in Calais in 1940. They deliberately invited themselves to be surrounded in order that the 300,000 men at Dunkirk could be evacuated. Granted, the difference was that they were outright told by Churchill that they were not expected to be withdrawn, and that their only two outcomes were going to be death or surrender. Hindsight indicated that it may not have been necessary, but there was no way for either London, nor 30th Bde to know that at the time their stand was made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Was he wrong about the Russians though? Out of the Allies, he was the one that was least keen on them and was privately telling people that their arrival in Europe in early 1945 was very bad news, even it meant defeating Hitler.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    The Times is mostly for the 10-15 minutes clips from UK former brass, varying quality. A lot of British and American former military just have a nosey on Twitter for news and rephrase it for media interviews.

    The Telegraph is more for catching up on what happend daily with a bit of analysis, handy if you just want a digest, the seek bar is your friend though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    You would think the FSB and their likes would be able to stay behind and blend in as the withdrawal happens in Kherson for example.


    Feed intelligence about the Ukrainians?


    Or maybe not…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    FSB tend to only work well inside russia. outside not so much there no KGB. Smearing door handles with nerve agents is not exactly 007 stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,094 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The first people in liberated villages after the army are Ukrainian intelligence. They ask the locals who has been collaborated, or who might be suspicious. A strange Russian man simply cannot remain behind without attracting attention.

    Ukrainian intelligence was an absolute cluster-fcuk pre-war. What happened in the south that allowed the Russians in was a disaster and aided by collaborators. They are not stupid though, the same mistake won't happen again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    I wager the Ukrainians are bussing the Quislings off to some remote town where they can all collude together under a watchful eye.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I believe it was US policy since the 70s/80s that they were opposed to Europe getting its gas from russia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,094 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    As a professional, I will defer to your judgement.

    From all the reports I am reading from both sides, I think this withdrawal is botched. While I think the Russians have been making preparations for weeks before this, I think the speed of the collapse has been faster than they've expected. I don't think 20k Russians, or anywhere remotely near that number are in danger of being trapped. But I do think they will need have some forces fight some sort of delaying action and become the sacrificial lambs. I don't see how every Russian can escape this debacle.

    Before tonight, the most number of Russians I've seen captured at any given time has been 2 dozen, or so. If Ukraine is going to push the Russians hard like they seem to be doing, I think we could see some sort of new record tomorrow. If even 200 Russians were captured, that would be a tremendous embarrassment to Russia.

    We will find out tomorrow just how bad it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,094 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    For the person who quoted me and suggested the the Russians were going to blow the dam.

    That is not true, at least not right now.

    This is Ukrainian shelling of retreating Russian forces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    A lot of talk late tonight that the Russian retreat from Kherson is going very badly and they are taking a lot of casualties.

    I think people in Russia might have assumed that once the retreat was announced, it would be relatively straightforward and the forces would be pulled back without much difficulty (forgetting that this is the calamitous Russian military we are discussing).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Hard to know what to do when command and control commanders and all that legged it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,105 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


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    Lol. Hopefully all with pre drilled holes.



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