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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    It's the last paragraph that is telling.. Crimea will come increasingly within range. The remaining recently arrived rats will soon start fleeing. Who in their right mind will hang around too long. Not that many routes out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,469 ✭✭✭zv2


    Liberated is a euphemism for 500 dead Russian soldiers.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,096 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The city of Kherson and neighboring settlements can not supply and function - Surovikin

    General Surovikin statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,096 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The main point about Kherson from Surovikin's report to Shoygu:


    - The city of Kherson and adjoining settlements cannot be supplied and function; 


    - Everyone in Kherson Oblast, which is more than 115,000 people, has left the area of combat operations;


    - It is advisable to organize defense along the barrier line of the Dnieper River, along its left bank;


    The Minister of Defense agreed with Surovikin's conclusions and proposals. The order to withdraw the troops across the Dnieper River was given.




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    The backwards advance.


    BBC News - Russia to withdraw troops from key city of Kherson

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63573387



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,469 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,021 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    If the Russians have crossed the Dnipro river, what's the best way of attacking them now? Cut off their route back to Russia along the south and force them out through Crimea?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,479 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Russian to withdraw from Kherson

    But am I the only one who has doubts about what's going on?

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    lol, are you suggesting the Russians are engaging in some kind of feint?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Sean Penn admits this is silly and symbolic but he has gifted one of his 2 Oscars to Ukraine

    “It’s just a symbolic, silly thing, but if I know this is here then I’ll feel better and strong enough for the fights,” Penn said after handing the Oscar over in a video posted to social media. Penn won Oscars in 2009 for Milk and in 2004 for Mystic River. He’s been nominated three other times.

    This is not Penn’s first time visiting Ukraine, and he informed Zelensky that despite having two golden statues, he wants this one back.

    “When you win, bring it back to Malibu because I’ll feel much better knowing there’s a piece of me here,” the actor said.

    The lovefest between Zelensky and Penn did not end there. The Ukrainian president displayed Penn’s Oscar and then showed him a plaque honoring him on the Walk of the Brave, honoring Ukrainian heroes.

    “There are three places in the world that all the pride of my life will be,” Penn said. “The place where my daughter was born, the place where my son was born, and this.”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They can push two fronts one directly towards Kherson and a possibility they push south from karkhiv the Russians are going to struggle to hold them off once HiMars and M270s coming into the area



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,479 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    I'm suggesting just seems odd a city they vowed to defend to the death and now they run.

    I hope it's true. But still they can regroup on the far side of river. This army needs to be destroyed intact. Not allowed to regroup and counter attack.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭Addmagnet



    It's clearly swamp gas from a weather balloon that was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus. Duh!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,566 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    They aren't regrouping to counterattack, they are regrouping to consolidate and stalemate and try and force a hold on the Donbass at a future negotiating table.

    It shouldn't be allowed to happen of course. A systematic cutting off and squeezing of each Russian/Rebel position in that region should eventually lead to the full ejection of Russia from sovereign Ukraine and restoration of the 2013 border.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    As soon as General Surovkin was put in charge one of the first comments he made publicly was about how difficult it would be to defend kherson with only 2 real points to supply it (Antonovsky bridge, Nova Kakhovka dam). You can only send ferries back and forth across the Dnieper for so long

    Its a shame they decided to leave, as otherwise there was a chance Ukraine could fully blow the kakhovka dam and have russian force in Kherson totally cut off. With a retreat they may save many of their soldiers and weaponry



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,021 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    This seems very scripted or staged. Organised retreat to protect servicemen (even head honcho Shoygu, with a straight face, says servicemen safety is #1 priority always!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,096 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Ukrainian presidential adviser Podolyak: Ukraine does not pay attention to Russian statements, words and actions are different, our armed forces work according to their own plan - reconnaissance, risk assessment, effective counterattack. As long as the Ukrainian flag is not flying over the city of Kherson, there is no point in talking about a Russian retreat.

    The Russians are definitely making a big deal about this withdrawal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    IMG_20221109_161920_559.jpg

    ⚡️ Ukraine has asked the USA to start supplying C-RAM systems to counter Iranian drones, ABC News.

    VR head Ruslan Stefanchuk has sent a letter to the US Congress asking it to hand over C-RAM air defence systems to the Ukrainian military to defend against Iranian drone attacks on Ukraine's critical infrastructure.

    Hopefully they will get them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Maybe the Russians are attempting to entice UKR forces into formerly occupied area and to blow the dam? Suspect they won't be rushing in.

    If that is the Russian tactic, it's pretty stupid and worthy of a child.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    There was zero chance Ukraine were going to destroy that dam for a short-term military gain like that. The Russians seemed to be worried they would alright because they probably would have done it if the positions were reversed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    Hitler's Atlantic Wall was more hype than reality, and he had 3+ years to prepare it. Let's see how the Russians do.

    Post edited by storker on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,469 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,469 ✭✭✭zv2


    Those defenses will be good for training novices in the use of long-range artillery from the west bank.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Posts: 2,015 [Deleted User]


    A combination of 155 mm artillery/Himars to take out the russian defences and cover the offensive and Storm shadow/SCALP cruise missiles or atacms to take out command centres,ammo depots,bridges and supply routes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    Posted on Twitter by historian James Holland: a casualty report from the Battle of Anzio. An interesting illustration of how bad casualties can get, and this was in a time without drones, when artillery was less accurate, and most rifles were bolt-action.

    Note how the author comments that the casualties represent a complete tunrover of the rifle companies (i.e. over 100% casualties over the period). I'm assuming the comment "Officers and NCOs very short and everyone strange to each other" means that the high casualty/replacement rate means that command teams are less experienced and have had little chance to "gel" with each other, rather than meaning that everyone is cranky and avoiding each other (although both could be true). I imgaine a Russian officer reading this today would be nodding his head in full understanding.

    ("Offrs" = Officers, "O.R." = Other Ranks)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,469 ✭✭✭zv2


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    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    That just looks like someone's phone camera not being able to deal with exposing the sun and the dark foreground, and blowing out the highlights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Have a feeling they are letting the holding force on the south bank that they're part of a tactical withdrawal and not going to be expected to hold onto the city. Otherwise they might decide "sod this for a game of cowboys" and take off on their heels


    Real question is are they going to blow that dam and I expect they will, hence all the gumflapping about making sure that any civvies who want to leave can do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,096 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Likely scenario is that both sides will fortify their side of the river and fighting moves to other areas of the front.

    A river assault would be hugely risky and costly over whoever tried to undertake it. I cannot see Ukraine risking their more precious resources on such an endeavour.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    No need for the Ukrainians to cross the river at Kherson. They can leave Kherson abandoned. Go North, cross the River at Zaporizyzhia, bring the pain from the North. The Russians only options then will be retreat to Crimea, or be cornered into the Peninsula below Kherson..... Or go back across to Kherson, which they really don't want to do.



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