Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

But again. You guys have utterly failed to show that the vaccines are causing these things.

And again every single person I know, self included who have had the vaccines have had no issues with them. So that proves they are safe.

A reminder that tou have argued that naturalnews was a valid and trustworthy source.

No. You did. You tried the same "but look at what they're linking" shite with them.

And as always you made no comment that your fellow anti-vaxx fantatic used them as a source.

If that's not the case you can simply just state now clearly and unambiguously naturalnews is an untrustworthy source.

You won't though.

Lol as predicted you ignore and dodge.

Not arsed to go trawling back for something you will ignore and dodge.

I've explained how you were defending them and I've told you how you can easily counter my point.

Simply state that natural news is an invalid and untrustworthy source and I will withdraw my comment.

Otherwise I'm done with this line and will not respond to any more of your badgering.

Lol and again you keep whinging my accusation is false yet you can't bring yourself to do the one thing that would easily show it's false.

As you say it fools no one.

Yea man. Ignoring all of the misinformation, out of context quoting, scaremongering etc that Natural News and it's ilk do to claim their article acceptable because it quotes one thing from the BMJ is defending them. Arguing that they might have a point is defending them.

And of course when I asked if you were doing so. You refused to answer.

You could have cleared that up by answering the question directly.

And notice how you're still unable to bring yourself to simply state that Natural News is invalid and untrustworthy.

Yes I did. However you like to play wordgames.

But ok I will take this at face value. You argee that Natural News is an invalid and unreliable source.

As such I will withdraw my comment.

Yea this is the point that they keep dancing around.

As we've seen they don't read half the links they post past the headlines or past the snippets tweeted out. They certainly don't look into the context or the source or even think about how the factoid fits into their worldview.

But the point you are ignoring and handwaving about is that Natural News constantly produce misinformation. They constantly misrepresent things and twist things to suit their anti-science agenda.

You agree with this assessment since you've agreed that they aren't reliable or trustworthy.

So, it doesn't matter what's actually in the article, because experience and common sense should tell people that whatever is in there is either lies, or it is twisted truth.

You guys have been quoting articles from the BMJ etc non-stop, but it hasn't once stopped you from being wrong.

One example being how Pat claiming that a study said the opposite of what it did simply because he didn't understand a word. Or your previous misadventure in misrepresentation.

No. You guys have not provided anything. You have only provided shite from crank sites like Natural News. Or information that you are blatantly misrepresenting and distorting. All the while you keep dodging and ignoring and avoiding all of the shady tactics, dishonesty and outright lies the sources you cling to use.

If you lot had any reliable trustworthy sources, you wouldn't have to cling to shite from Natural News, Info Wars, Epoch times etc etc.

If you had any reliable trustworthy sources, you wouldn't have to invent (and vaguely hint at) a conspiracy to explain why none of them support your claims.

Likewise, don't you find is suspect that any information or evidence you are provided that contradicts your anti-vaxx agenda, you deem to be untrustworthy, corrupt, or you just somehow know better than the experts who provided it.

Have you not seen anything at all that shakes your faith in the sources you use and cling to?

Has the fact that you've been shown constantly to be wrong and misrepresenting cause you to wonder why you're doing that?

Does the fact the only people who support you and back you up are the type of conspiracy theorists you get offended being compared to not make you wonder why?

Yes. As Odyssey has points out, things like the blood clot issue and the slightly increased incidence of myocarditis where identified by actual experts.

All studies that look into the safety and efficacy of the vaccines are inherently "questioning" those things.

I have not seen anything from any reliable sources that support any of the vague and contradictory conspiracy theories you guys have been suggesting and define as "questioning."

I have not seen anything that suggests risks or lack of efficacy that you guys believe.

Any chance you'll be answering my questions to you?

if not, then I see no reason to answer any more of yours.

Yup. Questions and points dodged. More misrepresentation.

No thanks.

No thanks man. Your badgering add nothing to the debate and I won't engage.

I've answered your question directly, fully and concisely. Take it or leave it.

Lol Bizarre interpretation of what happened.

I didn't mess up. I explained why I believed that Hometruths was defending the Natural News link you posted. None of which was due to me misremembering anything.

I only rescinded my statement that be believed that Natural News was a reliable and valid source when he finally stated (still a bit indirectly) that it wasn't. Something that I note you don't at all comment on.

And this is all hilariously hypocritical given the last link you tried to dump.

Seriously before you start accusing others and claiming that they will never say they are wrong even though it is pointed out 20 times you really should look in the mirror. You made a claim about me in this thread that was disproved rather easily. You repeated your lie many times yet you never said “I’m sorry, I was wrong”.

Cool.

What evidence do you have beyond your personal untrained assumptions of coincidence that these are being caused by the vaccine?

And again we have an anti-vaxxer who seems reluctant to use the V word for fear of summoning them.