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Why is Dublin such a shιtty city?

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Brilliant!


    a fine mix of casual bigotry with some teary eyed sentimentality thrown in. A classic combination

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Very few of the foreigners in my neighborhood are making more money than me. Actually they might be, given the generosity of our welfare state. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Really? I Don't think Jemser would have been too impressed by his self professed descendants cheerleading the importation of foreign labour to enrich landlords and employers at the expense of the natives:

    "'The socialists will never understand why I am here; they will all forget that I am an Irishman.'

    He was quite problematic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    I cant tell the junkies from the homeless people ,they dress the same, it seems most shops and cafes supermarkets, are staffed by non nationals, i think our economy depends on non nationals to function. we should remember junkies make up a tiny per percentage of our population , just google los angeles or sanfran homeless crisis ,theres places with a hundred tents in one place.i think there,s a problem in that we have a tiny amount of gardai the no of gardai in the city has not increased to match the increase in population.Since the pandemic theres been lots of shops closed that are now empty



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Dean Poor Muddy


    Agree wholeheartedly. Sydney is missing soul, it's quite a cold city in terms of vibrancy. Melbournians on the other hand would be more similar to Dubliners.

    I think Dublin is at a crossroads. The anti-social issues and various fueds around the city need to be tackled quickly. The City Council under the leadership of Owen Keegan is having a detrimental effect on the city as they are holding it back in a huge way. There is huge dereliction.

    Additionally, In my opinion, the quality of people in the national Government is the poorest it's ever been. It's full to the brim with people who are in it for self interest and who will only consider themselves when proposing or voting on legislation (e.g Robert Troy, there are plenty more of him in there).

    Thank God we are successful as we are which is largely down to talented people in the IDA and tax incentives by previous Governments but I feel the tide is turning a bit even for the MNCs/tech companies who are beginning to question the attractiveness of Dublin. If that carpet is pulled it will be a sorry sight.

    Us Dubliners need to start getting involved locally and pushing to get the city to where it should be. It's not lost yet but anyone can see it's on the way there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    What could the council do to make it better ,the government has more power in that it pass,s legislation and decides what money is spent eg what is the priority. Right now there's 100s of empty councils flats maybe they should renovate them make them available to people on the housing list

    rather than build 20 new houses at a cost of 300k each



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Around about 500 in DCC alone are empty out of a stock of about 25000.

    Allocation of housing is based on your numbers in your areas of of choice governed by your need .Factor in estate management checks , your situation I.e. are you senior citizens, disabled , medical priority etc.

    People are getting housed in DCC , properties are being refurbished along with grants being issued.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    At 7 pm every day theres soup kitchens outside the gpo, where the homeless go to get food.My experience junkies hang around certain area,s ,lanes ,back streets , , yes theres sometimes homeless people or beggars on o,connell street , o,connell street is not taken over by junkies .the main problem is dublin needs at least 100 more gardai ,and more in the city centre where tourists tend to go.

    unless you see someone spaced out with drugs in their hands how can you tell them from a beggar or a homeless person ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    There's an article about san Fran today in the daily mail.co.uk/us/

    It says the city is being destroyed by homeless people open drug dealing on the streets it sounds alot worse than Dublin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    The US has several concurrent drug epidemics, compounded that into practically zero mental health interventions led by the state and a housing affordability crisis in major coastal cities and you get the sh*tshow like you have in San Francisco.

    I was stunned when I when I was in Seattle. Home of major global corporations like Amazon, Starbucks, Boeing, Microsoft and abject destitution and human misery alongside it - in one of the wealthiest corners of the globe. Completely f*cked and whatever we can do avoid that in Dublin, we need to do it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


    Watch out junkies and beggars of dublin, we have a new Charles Bronson here with a death wish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,243 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    The good thing about Corporations based here like Amazon & Microsoft is that they are mostly located in the suburbs like Ballycoolin & Leopardstown.

    They are in areas that are largely spared from the scenes of frequent drug use that takes place in Dublin City Centre right throughout the year.

    Although the halting site near the Clayton Hotel in Leopardstown is an issue that is known to cause trouble in the area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Dublin for the Dubliners.

    Bit late for that now though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    When there are hundreds of those addicts and they hassle you everytime you go to work or walk around your neighbourhood you would change your tune. breaking into things, stealing stuff from shops and threatening staff.

    Besides the problems are bigger than addicts, theres a lot of youth gangs that roam around fairly randomly and also a risk of violence especially at night in DCC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    It's simple, there is an inane insistence in demanding that people be housed in the area they grew up regardless of their means or ambitions, however this only seems to apply in Dublin.

    In the rest of the country (& real world) you live where you can afford to, yes there are downsides like slums or people who can not remain living where they grew up, you move to where you need to.

    Is there social housing in central manhattan, because they grew up there? or anywhere else?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    There is a lot of social housing in Manhattan actually and the island isnt that big. Some of those areas are really rough .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,150 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I worked in Dublin City centre for years, no one ever bothered me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,150 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    It's all over central parts of London and Paris anyway. As I was saying in an earlier post it's even in places like Soho and around London Bridge and the quite posh areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    Yesterday at 10:30pm, I had to change from the red line LUAS to a bus on O'Connell St. The walk just takes a few minutes. I had a pass a group junkies and one of them followed me, grabbed my shoulder and asked for money. I correctly said I didn't have any and then he threatened to punch me in the face unless I gave him money. I told him to f*ck off which he did. Not pleasant and I wouldn't consider 10:30pm on a Friday evening particularly late either. I know this can happen in any big city but groups of scumbags should not be allowed to loiter / gather / drug deal in main city streets because it just increases the chances that they'll harass random members of the public.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,808 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    Because no matter where u are in Dublin, there is guaranteed to be a rat within a 1 meter radius. Fact.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    Perhaps they control them better so, because I've pretty similar levels of experiences in both & I'd rather be out for a few drinks in NYC than Dublin.

    Do you have the percentage breakdown of social to private in NYC to compare to Dublin out of curiosity ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    I don't , but back in the day I was escorted out of projects by the boys in blue, Harlem is in Manhattan.


    That reminds me how bad NYC was up to the 90s. Times Square was horribly seedy. Homeless beggars in every station and at every exit. Was very lively and exciting though.


    Anyway if NYC can clean itself up Dublin can too!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭ALB2022


    Two things keep coming up in this thread (Before I go on I grew up in Clontarf which is about 20 mins from O'Connell St and spent much of my 40 odd years going into Dublin City Centre (which in my mind is the area inside the Point, Christ Church, Smithfield and the Garden of Rememberance), primarily for work).

    1. The area being referred to as **** in Dublin City Centre (primarily around O'Connell, Parnell to Talbot St), which is commonly referred to as 'Dublin' and 2. The perception as much as the reality of that area.

    Firstly, I think people would agree that a similar size area about 500 metres away around Grafton, Dawson, Merrion & Stephens Green would be perceived completely differently.

    Second. The reality is if you had to go through video of everybody's experience when going into DCC you'd give up after a short while because you'd get bored waiting for something to happen, especially if you're from Dublin.

    Dublin, like most other cities, is like this.

    Third. However, unlike most cities, a very small but hugely prominent area (relative to the whole country, not just Dublin) is not being managed effectively, either through lack of willingness, incompetence or something even worse.

    So who is benefitting from the lack of management and negative media around the above area mentioned, an area about 1% the size of Phoenix Park or the same size as Trinity College campus?

    I'd suggest to start with...a) Casinos, Betting shops, Off licence etc b) Religious orders, Charities, Solicitors etc c) Legal system, top to bottom etc. d) Other criminal enterprises not mentioned previously. That's just a few.

    Next. Who is enabling this and do the people of Ireland actually want this area policed and managed effectively or are we content that this small area gives us something to make us feel better, despite the consequences?

    That for me is the interesting one because in most normal cities, just to start with, there would be an appropriate number of police deployed on a permanent basis and strictly enforcing measures from begging to loitering to public order to shoplifting to theft of other property. Littering is a thing but that is not high up the list.

    Is it worth trying...or are people just happy the way things are?

    This is and will spread to other towns and cities as the population grows, probably at a more rapid pace given the drugs that are out there now.

    Ireland, despite its many issues, is a reasonably decent place to live and travel around (personally i have never been the victim of crime, which to be fair is a low benchmark). But we're usually 20 years behind the more advanced countries, both the good and the bad that is exported to us.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,808 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    All cities , towns and villages in Ireland have got rougher and crime ridden in the last 10/20 years it’s not just O Connell street in Dublin . Drugs and the closure of many garda stations has seen people afraid to walk the streets of many towns - travellers/ drug gangs control swathes of rural Ireland .the government don’t give a toss .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,014 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    How Ireland works.

    Keegan gets €10,000 pay increase backdated for inflation | Business Post

    Keegan gets €10,000 pay increase backdated for inflation

    The increase in the chief executive of Dublin City Council’s salary comes as council faces funding shortfall of between €46 million and €50 million.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    i know 2 people who moved out of council flats, it took the council 8 months just to clean the flats ,and make minor repairs, before they moved in a new tenant .at any time there must be 100s of flats empty.those 2 flats were both in very good condition when the tenant moved out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,094 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Who told you that?? The cities don't have a "locals only" clause that other parts of the country have, it's what you can afford. If you're from Malahide and you can't afford to buy a house in Malahide you don't get to live in Malahide because someone from Headford has more money, and fair play to them. Don't forget, in the cities there's no such thing as "blow ins"... they're neighbours, be they from Mayo, Galway, India or China.

    When it comes to social housing, there's no difference nationwide, people from Athlone want to live in Athlone - close to family as do people from Galway who want to live in Galway and people from Mayo want to live in Mayo, you don't have a problem with them, but you have a problem with Dublin people wanting to live in Dublin? Sure that's natural, they want family support and familiarity, they want to live in the neighbourhood they grew up in. A family from a small town in Mayo would feel a lot more comfortable living in the estate they grew up in than somewhere miles away.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Do you know why it takes so long - because local authority housing isn’t funded properly. Successive FF/FG governments have pissed away billions on public/private partnerships instead.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 CaptainTeebs


    The cheapest former council houses in Dun Laoghaoire Rathdown start at 380k.

    In most of North and West Dublin they average from 210 to 270K.

    As for private builds, the types that go for 290 to 350 in North and West Dublin start at 500k in DLR. Exact same design, age, condition, only difference being the status of the address.

    It's pretty much at a stage where a working class kid leaving school in DLR is best off not working if they want to live where they grew up- a job holding couple will not fall within the social housing threshold, and a couple wanting to buy would need about 120k per year to get a look in on even a basic ex council house.

    Do you believe that working class people should entirely lose the right to live in the DLR council area?


    In most cases they probably descend from a lineage that lived in the area long before the graduates from Cork and Mayo buying the fancy properties arrived. They laboured on the farms and fished on the trawlers. Why should economics dictate that these people should up sticks and head for Gorey and Arklow as so many have had to do?



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