Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022 - Read OP

Potential-Monke · 27-10-2022 02:30AM

Without printed or digital media to back it up, it always comes down to s/he said. Common sense needs to prevail in those cases, but the definition of common sense is not as clear anymore. Not specifically regarding this, but everything in general. Seems common sense isn't common anymore. And common is debatable. I would have thought it common sense not to drink battery acid. Car manufacturers still have to warn you.

xxxxxxl · 27-10-2022 02:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119798450#Comment_119798450

True reminds me of the old days a hole not where you would not normal go has 1 sign saying hole. Now unless it have 15 kinds of warnings and 15 meter fences you can sue. In winter steps may have ice on them. When it rains don't drive to fast.

Potential-Monke · 27-10-2022 02:54AM

My favourite of the last couple of years is being able to sue your employer for falling down your own stairs while WFH. Good ole Germany. I digress.

But it is related. Who gets to decide the line between common or not? Who decides what constitutes hate speech, or intent. Most people will be grand because they don't actually speak their minds, and it'll be do good, I think, to hopefully stem the tide of online idiots who think they deserve to have their opinion heard. It shouldn't affect those with opposing views who have factual backup, or frame it as complete opinion and not try and convince others to believe the same, but that also depends on the reach of the audience and is more grey areas...

I'll become more unsocial. It's not like this doesn't have precedence, there's a certain word we can't even type in context, seems more are being added and I don't necessarily think that's a good thing. Misuse of them I'm wholeheartedly against, but complete censorship is never a good thing. Things are never straight forward. Further interesting times ahead.

xxxxxxl · 27-10-2022 03:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119798456#Comment_119798456

True again Those pushing this never see it will affect them. Sorry but that just stupid thinking just takes the wrong kind of Government to get in. In this case your Enemy should be your Friend. The laws at the moment seem fine Adding another protected group no issue. But who is the gatekeeper. That's my huge issue with this stuff. Remember when they wanted to give you a card to watch porn. List would never be found ofc.... Slowly slowly everyone rights get eroded.

RobbieTheRobber · 27-10-2022 08:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119798267#Comment_119798267

So most of the boards user base then.

The Blue haired brigade is a common insult and trope used by boards right on wan****

Boggles · 27-10-2022 08:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119797617#Comment_119797617

Sure you'll have to ask her, she was the one who admitted to drinking all evening until 2am.

Then she proceeded to abuse a bunch people, refused to leave a premises, had to be escorted out and then she was arrested.

If you are telling me she was clean sober doing all that, than she is an even bigger cretin than I thought.

Annasopra · 27-10-2022 08:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119798409#Comment_119798409

😆

need detail

dont need detail

You're all over the place

RobbieTheRobber · 27-10-2022 08:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119798464#Comment_119798464

Who is the gatekeeper of laws in Ireland, is that really what you are asking?

Eh the courts, same as it ever was.

Fandymo · 27-10-2022 10:46AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119797914#Comment_119797914

Men should not be in single sex female spaces. You don’t need to be drunk to point that out.

Fandymo · 27-10-2022 10:48AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119797947#Comment_119797947

The irony hahaha. “Do you really put other humans into groups like you have in this post” while discussing humans being put into groups to create a hierarchy of victimhood. Cognitive dissonance overload!!

27-10-2022 11:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119798643#Comment_119798643

The irony of this post.

Gregor Samsa · 27-10-2022 11:25AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119799218#Comment_119799218

Very true. Countries like Saudi Arabia are full of single sex spaces, and they manage to violently enforce them without a drop of alcohol.

RobbieTheRobber · 27-10-2022 12:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119799226#Comment_119799226

What groups have I put humans into there Fandy?

Palmach · 27-10-2022 12:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119794637#Comment_119794637

Or................... Ireland has scored highly in allowing free speech

Ten of Swords · 27-10-2022 12:49PM

Based on that interpretation I checked the scores of Russia and Belarus, they have the lowest possible scores in that category so they must allow lots of free speech?

Right?

Amirite?

Palmach · 27-10-2022 12:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119799792#Comment_119799792

Do you think Ireland compares to Russia in it's treatment of Gays and Lesbians and so called transpeople? Yes or No.

Fandymo · 27-10-2022 01:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119799580#Comment_119799580

Where did I say you’d put humans into groups?? Hint: I didn’t. Try reading it again…

“discussing humans being put into groups”.

RobbieTheRobber · 27-10-2022 01:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119800003#Comment_119800003

You posted

The irony hahaha. “Do you really put other humans into groups like you have in this post”

the only way that question could be construed as irony is if I were putting humans into groups.

Now you reply:

Where did I say you’d put humans into groups?? Hint: I didn’t. …

Add in an uncivil comment from you

Try reading it again…

So my reply is

🙄

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-10-2022 02:00PM

The question, then is: should we have complete free speech (including for people like fascists and pedophiles) or do we put limits on it (thus, rendering it not completely free)?

Annasopra · 27-10-2022 02:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119800108#Comment_119800108

There has never been absolute free speech and never will be. If I distributed posters calling for the murder of Ukrainians I would probably be charged with incitement to hatred and rightfully so.

RobbieTheRobber · 27-10-2022 02:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119800108#Comment_119800108

Shouldn't everyone be allowed to racially abuse who they want when they want?

I mean protecting freedom of speech should trump protecting people from hatred right?

Words never hurt anyone, right. I mean no one is getting upset about the meaning of words.

Like take the words male and female I can just use those words to mean whatever I want right, there is no issue with me using my freedom of speech to redefine those words as I choose right?

🤣

AllForIt · 27-10-2022 02:10PM

https://rainbow-europe.org/#8666/0/0

Non-binary recognition

I think we can safely say that Ireland is never ever ever going to get a 100% mark.

Most countries don't pass any of these related to Intersex

Intersex bodily integrity Prohibition of medical intervention before child is able to informed consent (intersex)
Universality of prohibition of medical interventions
Existence of effective monitoring mechanism
Access to justice for victims and reparations

And anyway does it make sense to lump random issues together to give an overall score?

NO!

oh and btw, I don't think the UK's one has been properly vetted because they actually have banned gay conversion therapy.

Ten of Swords · 27-10-2022 02:27PM

oh and btw, I don't think the UK's one has been properly vetted because they actually have banned gay conversion therapy.

They keep saying they will but it hasnt been codified into law yet.

The ILGA report covers the calendar year 2021.

Here is the latest significant news about the conversion therapy ban, and how close they came to scrapping it, from April 2022

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60947028

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-10-2022 03:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119800108#Comment_119800108

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119800161#Comment_119800161

My point entirely: when people are ahouting 'free speech' - are they sure this is what they want?

Overheal · 27-10-2022 03:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119800150#Comment_119800150

If they want absolute free speech get ready for IMBLA showing up at school recess for marketing.

RobbieTheRobber · 27-10-2022 03:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119800551#Comment_119800551

I thought that was what you were getting at but I wanted to shitpost to mock the absurdity of the freedom of speech crowd at times on the back of your post.

Fandymo · 27-10-2022 03:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119800087#Comment_119800087

The part in quotation marks, is me quoting you, pointing out the irony in your quote while you are posting in a thread where people were being put into groups to create a hierarchy of victims.

It is really not that difficult a concept. You were faux-outraged that someone else may group sets of people together (JohnDoe1) whilst simultaneously cheerleading for Hate Crime legislation that (shock horror) groups sets of people together. That is the definition of irony (a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expect).

Overheal · 27-10-2022 03:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119800714#Comment_119800714

Hate Crime legislation that (shock horror) groups sets of people together.

Expand on that please, how does the legislation do that?

EmmetSpiceland · 27-10-2022 04:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119800732#Comment_119800732

Well, I guess it groups racists, misogynists, transphobes, bigots, homophobes, neo-nazis, xenophobes and other hate-driven folks together. As they will be the ones, mostly, effected by this law.

Overheal · 27-10-2022 04:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119800796#Comment_119800796

Well more aptly it's the one group of people who 'shall be guilty of' the statute.

Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022 - Read OP

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