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Why is Dublin such a shιtty city?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 CaptainTeebs


    I've an honest question and I'm hoping somebody can provide me with an answer.


    Can anybody present me with statistics, facts, reports and so on that show that Dublin city centre is more violent, unsafe, dangerous than it was 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago?

    Not just "open your eyes" hysteria, I mean actual studies.

    Because statistically rates of things like murder (femicide in particular but also gangland murders), car theft and teen heroin use have largely been on a downward slide since the 90s and the first decade of this century.

    That's despite our population jumping 50% since the mid 90s. In 2021 we had 94 prisoners per 100,000 people, today we have 74.

    So to me it seems an outlier that while society has generally gotten safer Dublin has become more dangerous.

    Is there any online reviews by tourists vowing never to come back or are these hell in a handbasket hyperbole coming from locals?

    Perhaps because tourists are used to worse conditions and far more volatile street people and less police in their home cities of San Fran, Vancouver, Paris and Sydney?

    Also, over 3000 people have been arrested in the city centre in the last year inj patrols tackling anti social conduct, whicn puts paid to this bizarre notion that Dublin is not well policed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    It’s not the whole city a lot of it is nice, the problem is O Connell street and surrounding area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    If people don’t accept that there is a problem then it will never improve. You won’t see junkies hassling people or homeless people begging on the Champs-Elysee, I walked down it 2 weeks ago. There’s a visible police presence too which is sorely lacking in Dublin.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    They can’t, because it isn’t.


    Then they’ll tell you more people aren’t arrested because crime is ignored. Even though people are still being arrested for violent crime.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭stoneill


    When you look at the state of Dublin, the quays are a disgrace of dereliction, low maintenance and lack of pride. The buildings are dirty and grimy. Newer apartment blocks are falling apart, The streets are dirty and full of litter. There are empty sites from demolished buildings, half renovated and abandoned projects. O'Connell street has had a lot of focus since the RTE program, but it's not just O'Connell street. Absent landlords, developers hoarding properties, lack of overall strategic planning, lack of investment in public space, eroding of amenities. Even a simple walk through Dublin city looking for a public toilet highlights how bad a city it is. Eye sores everywhere, the old Carlton cinema site, the Ormond Hotel site, Moore street, Moore lane, Henry lane, North Lotts, Bachelors lane to name a few - all these places are a disgrace in a supposed major city.

    The drugs and begging menace, that is a social issue separate from the physical condition of Dublin.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,094 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    While Dubliners recognise the city’s issues with theft, a recent survey by the European Commission also shows that Dublin’s public transport is considered to be much safer than that of the average European city. And is Dublin safe at night? Well, 75% of respondents said they feel secure walking the streets after dark too.

    Another survey also showed that Dublin ranks 15th on a list of the 100 safest cities for international students. Positive evaluations helped the city earn its ranking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,954 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Maybe the Garda & powers are happy to have them in & around O'Connell street,

    As i said the street isn't really used for anything these days anyway & is a big open wide area so easier to keep an eye on the,

    Much better to have them there than up on Grafton street / Dawson /Wicklow street or the other street that people actually use,

    Every major City has problem area's in the City centre ,

    Unfortunately it what people do ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    I’d agree with this. The junkies and beggars on O Connell street are more of an annoyance than a real threat. It still looks bad though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,094 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I know, you're obviously intelligent. But there's people that look around them and think the earth is flat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,299 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    It seems the whole of the northside of the City Centre has been let fall into decay. I remember what it is was like in the 80's and early to mid 90's and it wasn't pretty then either. There were a lot of the old tenement buildings still standing, barely, and in the early to mid 90's these were all knocked down and new apartments built but then you have the flat complexes that were built in the 40's and 50's, I think I could be wrong, and that is where the problems are coming from and they are all within a stones throw of O'Connell Street.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    every city has junkies and beggars ,the thing that annoys me is random person coming up to me and asking for a euro, if a beggar wants to sit down with a cup in front of asking for money thats ok. i have never found any beggar remotely threatening . most of the time you cannot tell a homeless person from a junkie, unless they are obviously under the influence of drugs . its easy to avoid junkies stay away from back streets ,lanes where they hang out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,948 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Why the fchuhrke should you.

    Never read such a heap of waffle.

    The main thoroughfare and environs of our capital city held to ransom by around 100 scrotes.

    Have we no enough pride and foresight to clear them out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 CaptainTeebs


    I was in Sydney for a bit. Police foot patrols are essentially non existant.

    You know what else is non existent? Security guards, aside from supermarkets and electronics stores (preventing shoplifting, basically).

    It isn't uncommon to see people passed out in/ openly injecting drugs in McDonald's on Sydney's George St (their O'Connell equivalent, except length wise goes from our docks to about Christchurch).

    No security at takeaways and people openly injecting indoors is unthinkable in Dublin, regardless of media scaremongering.

    And from what I gather San Fran and Vancouvner in particular are beset with similar issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 CaptainTeebs


    Half of these people were likely born and grew up and still reside within a 10 minute walk of OCS. How do we go about banning people from their own neighbourhood so some day trippers from Mullingar can feel better?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,299 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    That's the problem in a nutshell, they all live a stones throw from O'Connell Street. In other cities living that close to the city centre would cost an arm and a leg.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    I cycle around dublin every day. Most days. I never see drug users. Most hostels are located around the city centre. Soup kitchens are located around the city centre. Homeless people can easily get free food every day. I think most people are busy

    They dont. Even notice homeless people unless they are begging. asking for money

    From what I read new york san fran los angeles usa have a much more serious problem with crime and homeless people and drug users in city centre areas. You can look at any city in europe. Theres probably x per cent of people who use illegal drugs

    I dont think dublin city is worse than london or berlin in regard to homeless people

    The main problem I see is we need more gardai on the streets walking around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Saw a guy get kicked unconscious on oconnell Bridge at 8.30pm earlier. Started with a row outside o'carrolls then proceeded to the road. The guy being attacked was knocked to the ground then the attacker kicked his head like a football for another 20- 30 seconds. Few jumps on his head for good measure. Traffic stopped on the quays while this happened, by standers and tourists looking on agog. Eventually someone grabbed the attacker and restrained him, the guy attacked motionless on the road. He seemed to come around but it was a vicious and sustained attack. On the main street in out capital City. Not a single guard to be seen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    If you were in the city centre, how many people would you have to ask before you had answer from a thousand Irish people?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,150 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    since i've been in London this time round, there have been stabbings on oxford, an attempted car jacking recently, kids ransacking shops etc. the east side of oxford st is full of **** american candy stores and phone accessory shops, on a par with our own o'connell st. the selfridges end is nice enough though.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Classy dog whistling. At least own your convictions and be direct about what you think


    In case anyone missed the implication: Dublin is over run by foreigners, destroying the city.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,150 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Paris and London have social housing right in the centre of the city too. Soho even has social housing flats and you see loads around the Southbank and Waterloo and even in Chinatown. I used to think social housing in the middle of a city centre was only a Dublin thing but you see it everywhere here in London, even in really posh places like St. John's Wood and Notting Hill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,014 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Are you reporting live from Oxford St Monk? 🤣

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,150 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    London Fields in Hackney. Very desirable area nowadays but it's still full of loonies around the park. Last week I saw armed police with machine guns jumping out to arrest a guy waving a knife around. I really think the hyperbole around Dublin is crazy, an addict asking you for some change is a product of a society and if you're concerned about it then focus on fixing society not brushing these people under the carpet elsewhere.

    Funnily enough yesterday around the corner from here a homeless bloke with a Dublin accent asked me for change while I was having a coffee outside somewhere, felt bad for him as I rarely have cash on me these days so couldn't help him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,094 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I was in Sidney too. I absolutely loved it and considered moving there. The beach, park, city & outdoor lifestyle I have in Dublin would transfer perfectly and there's a cracking food culture there too. But I actually preferred to stay in Dublin for a few reasons, family being one, but Dublin as a city wins for me, it just has a bit more soul and maturity to it.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 9,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    While doing some historical research, I came across complaints about Dublin being a poor place to live dating from the 10th Century. So complaining about Dublin has a long tradition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Dublin city centre is overun by foreigners and it's destroyed whatever unique charectar it had left. 😎

    I'm up there with Jem Connolly when it comes to dog whistling

    "If you are proud of the children who responded to the call of their country, and passed unheeded the seductions of the tyrant, then bestir yourselves to win for them a right to live in that country, a right to enjoy its beauties, and revel in its abundance, irrespective of the wishes of any employer or landlord. "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    That was undoubtedly someone dog whistling becauase they were unhappy that the Vikings had made the town centre more vibrant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,094 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I think you're reaching a bit there Dyr, most foreigners I know pay a lot more tax than you do. Regarding the O'Connell quote, I'm sure he wouldn't like his words to be misrepresented & twisted like that. You sound like the tyrant in this case! You're the classic British National front boy "lord of the land", the native that wants it all for himself! "Get rid of those Johnny Foreigners.... Britain for the British!!"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,001 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    I think RTE Primetime investigates recent report on Dublin's O'Connell Street is no shock to those of us from Dublin and working in the city.

    There are social issues, DCC failure to manage O Connell Street, boarded up and derelict premises, tacky fast food joints with plastic signage, lack of our Dept of Justice to over see the proper Policing of the street by our Gardai.

    There are many stakeholders who need to come together , Chamber of commerce, HSA to assist the drug addicts.

    There is a massive increase in roma gypsies congregating/ loitering on the street and North Earl street, saw a recent video on social media of roma attacking staff at a casino on O'Connell Street at the junction with Henry Street, not a Garda in sight.

    The reason why the Bord Failte tourist office was moved from O' Connell Street to the Southside was the high crime being targetted towards tourists many years back. New tourist office is on Dame Street beside Dublin castle.

    The Government have to sort out the mess that is the main thoroughfare of our nations capital city for once and for all.

    Lets take back control of our city for once and for all to use without fear of being mugged or attacked.




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