Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Time for Article 5. Or destroy Iran's military (as punishment). Or both.

In a normal geopolitical relationship yes. But there's nothing neighbourly about Russia and they just want to wipe out Ukraine. If they can achieve that by sending 10 million refugees to Europe over winter, they won't car how much hatred of Russia they bring with them. Considering what Russia are already doing to Ukraine, the Ukrainian hatred levels must already be nearly maxed out.

I expect that the military heads in Ukraine/NATO are working on a strategy to counter the infrastructure attacks. The mopeds will be hard to counter as described above since they are cheap, plentiful, nearly invisible to radar and have a long range. However they are slow, easy to hear and shoot down, so I would expect that either crowd-sourced app data or old fashioned military observance will be able to plot their trajectory. There are many options for shooting them down as long as they are expected and defenders on the ground know from what direction they will be coming.

Generation stations should be protected from missile attack using state of the art Western defence systems such as Iron Dome. And I don't think Russia has as many functioning missiles as mopeds.

Perhaps an upscale of a shot gun?

A simple cannon type barrel, firing "wide scatter shot" (ball bearings)

Ukraine already has something similar. 150k were produced in the Soviet Union so you'd imagine Ukraine should have more than enough of these.

It's not counter productive if the aim is to send millions more refugees to Europe in winter, putting a further burden on European budgets and further undermining goodwill among the populations (which is already shaky among large swathes) to the point where more and more people say "whatever the cost, these two sides have to sit down and negotiate an end to the war."

Whether the strategy will succeed I don't know, but I suspect it's a key aim of the Russian terror state - the media morons over there were gleefully discussing the prospect a week or two back

They seem to be burning though these drones at some rate, I wonder just how many they have left. Hopefully they are burning though them rapidly like everything else in one last final push.

I saw on twitter yesterday that the UKR are developing something similar with a slightly larger payload circa 75kg of explosive and 1000k range. I feel if they can indeed make those Moscow might feel some retribution eventually.

Imagine if ISIS or similar get their hands on these drones.

First batch of drones arrived in Russia in August, the Crimea bridge was attacked in October. Do you really think Russia bought the drones back in August for **** and giggles? It was always their intention to use them in Ukraine.

Don't celebrate too early. Long way to go yet.

The question is, where is the counter-strike intelligence that NATO should be providing to Ukraine in real time to obliterate the launch sites?

Its now past time that NATO handed over to Ukraine every possible ground based conventional offensive weapon in the arsenal. The Russian installations in the occupied territories, military and political, must now be mercilessly destroyed and whatever remaining proxy structures are there, decapitated.

Ukraine will have all this type of intelligence from NATO already. The Russians themselves have noticed that Ukraine always seems to know where to strike.

What type of altitide are these drones lying at? Are they clearly visible to target?

I'm wondering why these drone attacks generally seem to occur in daylight hours. They're clearly visible in Kyiv so can be hit, but at night I take it they're hard to spot.

Why was attacking a bridge a "step too far"?

It's a bridge built to illegally annexed territory, being used to transport military equipment and troops that are killing Ukrainians every day. Attacking the bridge was a complete no-brainer and a number one priority target, not to mention a significant morale boost and has impacted the Russian transport of military material.

The suicide drones are being used to attack critical civilian infrastructure, spread terror, which again exposes Putin's true goals and desperation. That will always have an impact.

Turkish mercenaries fighting for Russia apparently.

Not to mention that the bridge, as well as being a legitimate military target, was targeted at a time of day when it was least likely to have any innocent bystanders on it.