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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,988 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    I'm the same. I'd do without rather than use it. Again I'm not sure of the legalities but it would be bad form to use it, unless you parked where the jeep was and sat in your vehicle incase someone disabled did need it!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭wassie


    I think @ELM327 raises a good point. Its a pet peeve of mine to see folk taking up accessible car bays when not entitled to do so.

    I've seen several different examples of dual marking of car bays (i.e. Accessible and EV) and think this can only result in confusion (everyday EV owners genuinely thinking its ok to charge) and abuse by those EV owners who dont give toss and will happily take up an accessible bay if it saves them walking an extra 20 seconds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Fantana2


    I think disabled ev charging spaces absolutely have a place

    It would be shameful for us to leave them to the very end, life is hard enough being disabled without our new energy transition making the mistakes of the past.

    I would go a step further and say these ac spots should be tethered with a supported cable from above that can be used from wheelchair height.

    6.96kwp South facing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I'd only use that charger in disabled bay if I was in an emergency and I could stay with the car and hand it over to blue badge holder if they arrived and wanted to charge at the same time. In the spirit of what it's intended for. I wouldn't walk away and go about my business.

    The blue moon in the sky would match the blue badge nicely as it pulled up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,998 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    True, but there also needs to be industry support as well, particularly around DC chargers which I think are more critical.

    I would say that many chargers were not tested for accessibility during design. Even the screens look like they're too high to be used by someone in a wheelchair

    So there needs to be some accessible design standards applied here.

    I would even say that inductive charging could be an answer here, since it doesn't require any cables

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭wassie


    Research by the Research Institute for Disabled Consumers (UK) in relation to the charging process and accessability published earlir this years confirms there is a lot of shortcomings at present not being addressed.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,998 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Lots of EV news getting published recently

    Looks like Volvo are giving customers the option of AC or DC V2L on the EX90


    11kW V2L in either AC or DC mode. I'm guessing the 11kW in AC is 3 phase, so in reality it's 3.6kW for most applications. Still plenty for most uses IMO

    Could be a winning formula I think, looking forward to seeing more


    In other news, get ready for the fines...

    I imagine several EU states will veto this plan, but the EU parliament definitely seems to have the idea that charging networks are critical to EV rollout

    And finally, boat...

    I know it's a rendering, but somehow they've managed to make a car ferry look cool. Interesting that the ferry will be remote piloted with the crew as backup.

    I'm guessing the range will only be a few kilometres, but if it manages to take a few wasteful diesels off the water then it's good news to me

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,821 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Big ship (especially Cruise ships) diesel usage is almost unbelievable it's so high, up to quarter of a million MT a day

    How Much Fuel Does a Cruise Ship Use? (marineinsight.com)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,816 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    small point of clarification its not diesel its bunker fuel, up until recently it would have been Intermediate fuel oil (380), its now mandated to be low sulphur, but the stuff is literally sludge, you can only imagine how polluting it is,

    there is a push towards LNG in the industry

    from wiki:


    "Because of the low quality of bunker fuel, when burnt it is especially harmful to the health of humans, causing serious illnesses and deaths. Prior to the IMO's 2020 sulfur cap, shipping industry air pollution was estimated to cause around 400,000 premature deaths each year, from lung cancer and cardiovascular disease, as well as 14 million childhood asthma cases each year.[4]

    Even after the introduction of cleaner fuel rules in 2020, shipping air pollution is still estimated to account for around 250,000 deaths each year, and around 6.4 million childhood asthma cases each year.

    The hardest hit countries by air pollution from ships are China, Japan, the UK, Indonesia, and Germany. In 2015, shipping air pollution killed an estimated 20,520 people in China, 4,019 people in Japan, and 3,192 people in the UK.[5]

    According to an ICCT study, countries located on major shipping lanes are particularly exposed, and can see shipping account for a high percentage of overall deaths from transport sector air pollution. In Taiwan, shipping accounts for 70% of all transport-attributable air pollution deaths in 2015, followed by Morocco at 51%, Malaysia and Japan both at 41%, Vietnam at 39%, and the UK at 38%.[6]

    As well as commercial shipping, cruise ships also emit large amounts of air pollution, damaging people's health. The ships of the single largest cruise company, Carnival Corporation & plc, emit ten times more sulfur dioxide than all of Europe's cars combined.[7]"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭mc2022B2TF


    quick one on the VRT relief - so it's currently in place for vehicles with an OMSP of less than 50k

    So my dad is looking at an EV - price is about 53k before the SEAI grant - but the dealer is applying the VRT relief too.

    Is the OMSP post grant so? Something isn't adding up that the VRT relief is still applied. It's great but cant make sense of it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,998 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Interesting fact, the bunker fuel is so bad that it doesn't flow, it's like tar in consistency. They need to preheat the fuel before it'll even combust

    Now it's worth saying that bunker fuel tends to be favoured by cargo ships. They sort of plod along at the same speed and so they can use bunker fuel efficiently

    Well, when I said efficient, I mean cheap, not as in good fuel efficiency

    Ships that operate at more variable speeds like ferries and cruise ships often use low grade diesel or gas


    Or electricity, which looks to be gaining popularity among the short range routes

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,816 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    I used to work in the industry :) , it was mostly bunker fuel used by the cruise liners as well, yachts and the like used mgo which was more akin to diesel !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,998 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    True, unfortunately we're a bit far from big ships yet. They'll probably have to use hydrogen for anything with more than 100km range


    But, we're getting closer every day

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,998 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Interesting, I'd heard that cargo ships were mostly direct drive diesel engines and cruise ships were diesel electric power. I guess that doesn't really have any bearing on whether they use bunker fuel

    Recently I got the ferry to England and the smoke belching out of the ferry made me think it was on fire. I honestly wonder if they would be less polluting if they burnt turf

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭mc2022B2TF


    The ulysess has a flyer onboard advertising the amount of marine diesel it uses per round trip as if its actually proud of it.

    Couldn't believe it when I seen it earlier this year.

    And yeah the slow ferry belching out smoke was mad to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    No it's the full price pre all grants. You pay VRT on the balance above 50k, note this will be the balance above 35k from January and declining to 0 in the next few years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,102 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    We cruise with NCL and any ships we've been on are diesel electric.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,179 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Grant is €60k.

    VRT relief I’m lost with too.

    It used to be lower i thought, around €35k ish, as it was the only way I got my old leaf, i3 etc into without any VRT.

    Post edited by Gumbo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭innrain


    I think you got the acronyms confused. Is it BIK you think of?

    So the VRT relief is due to expire at the end of next year is up to 5k for cars with Open Market Selling Price up to 40k and reduced up to 50k. Zero above that.

    Open Market Selling Price is determined by Revenue and not necessarily the price on the invoice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭mc2022B2TF


    Well the ioniq 5 executive plus currently priced at 53.5k gets vrt relief plus grant. I can't figure it out and leads me to think it's gouging.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,633 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    OMSP is actually determined by the distributor of the car!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭mc2022B2TF


    So hyundai must have the OMSP of the ioniq 5 at less than 50k. Yet dealers are charging 53.5k for it. Seems an odd admission of over charging if that's the case!

    Oh hey u can have vrt off the car but we are already charging u too much for it.

    Given with one hand and taken away with the other



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,633 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Bunker fuel for shipping was so bad that something like the top 100 biggest ships in the world produced more SOx than all passenger vehicles in the world combined. Truely shocking. And that at the same time that marine transport had a green label and was subsidised (by the EU a.o.) and favoured over road transport. Thankfully that is rapidly being cleaned up now.

    I'm with @the_amazing_raisin that (long distance, large) ships will be the only form of transport likely to use hydrogen in future. All others will be battery electric



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,102 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    OMSP for brand new cars is generally set as a percentage of RRP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,633 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    That's the definition of it. The percentage is given by the distributor to Revenue. Typically this is around the 88-95% range, or it used to be. It's mostly to cater for discounts given. Perhaps these days it should be 100%, at least on EVs as discounts have gone the way of the dodo...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭mc2022B2TF


    Interesting and thanks.

    Seems like hyuandai are being clever as the equivalent kia and skoda cars are not getting the grant.

    Seems like a loophole as its a tad dodgy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Fantana2


    Methanol or Ammonia are options too.

    Although ammonia has considerably toxicity issues.

    My money is on Methanol to win the race due to the smaller storage obstacles to climb and it’s a cleaner fuel.

    6.96kwp South facing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,816 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    We definitely supplied carnival, royal princess and msc with low sulphur 380 but the newer ships use mgo (marine diesel) I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,432 ✭✭✭markpb


    You may both be right. Some new-ish ships have the ability to burn mgo when required by national regulations and switch to bunker fuel when in international water. They use some kind of scrubbers to reduce the airborne pollution emitted when burning bunker fuel but that’s a very recent change.

    Edit: this has some info: https://mfame.guru/nclh-equips-70-of-its-fleet-with-innovative-environmental-technology/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,998 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Here was me thinking they were switching over to gas turbine engines

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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