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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You could well be right - I might be now confusing either a higher spec model or/and bigger battery versions now available - even so 2k more is a lot more than I would have considered budget wise -ya got to shout stop at some number or we’d all be driving lambos 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭bricky06


    I wonder how long it will take my brain to recallibrate for M3 to mean a Tesla



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭wassie


    This might help. Tune in from 3:30



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,995 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Looks like the EU parliament is getting the finger out

    They want charging stations every 60km along all major routes. Pricing should be displayed on the charger and payment should be "simple to use" which could be interpreted as requiring card payment facilities

    They also want an acceleration of the current target to 2028 instead of 2031

    With a bit of luck our glorious leaders will get booted into action

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,178 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    With a bit of luck our glorious leaders will get booted into action

    No, we'll miss the targets and then pay a few million in penalties every year until we do eventually meet the targets (of 5 years previous)), then we'll start paying new penalties for missing the newer targets....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,995 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Nah, we'll get an exemption because we're an island or some BS like that

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,315 ✭✭✭zg3409


    While I think 60km is great I would prefer hubs every 100km on major roads. Later they could add more sites in between.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,995 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    It's a bit buried in the article but they talk about EV charging "pools" which sounds a bit like a hub.

    The earlier proposal from the EU commission mentioned a minimum charging power of 300kW, which is a bit low if you're thinking about 10 years of development. But if you apply current logic that seems to cover 2 chargers (unless you're Ionity)

    Tbh 60km seems like enough, considering that's the distance between Lusk and Castlebellingham services on the M1. You could easily pull into one with 10% remaining and if there's a massive queue or the chargers are busted them having to travel 100km might not befeasible

    So the EU parliament seems to favour lots of smaller hubs than a few big ones. I know scaling of resources favours big hubs, but if you're looking from a minimum service point of view then you'd want hubs a short distance apart.

    You then let market forces decide which of those locations are turned into big hubs

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,212 ✭✭✭creedp


    How would that work though. Will ecars or equivalent take a mini digger and knock a hole in fence every 60km along all the main routes and set up 2 chargers and then wait to see if any private providers can see themselves making a killing out of developing these sites? Or will ecars simply throw a few chargers into existing petrol stations along main routes? Always have to admire the EP for their precise plans that really are difficult to implement in the real world.

    Interestimg to see how this will actually unfold



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,995 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    This has already been done, the TII motorway services sites are basically fulfilling the requirement of a service station every 50-60km on main routes


    The government (via TII) franchises these sites out, I think Applegreen currently has most of them. So basically they'd change the terms of the franchise agreement to include a minimum number of EV charging.

    As long as the terms of whatever EU law is met regarding ease of access, then the government doesn't care who actually provides the chargers

    Hopefully the service station owners get ahead of the game and provide their own chargers, looks like Applegreen is moving ahead with this, although I'm not sure any of the sites they're currently installing are TII sites

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭UID0


    This is what was previously recommended by the European Commission:


    Member States shall ensure a minimum coverage of publicly accessible recharging points dedicated to light-duty vehicles on the road network in their territory. To that end, Member States shall ensure that:

    (a) along the TEN-T core network, publicly accessible recharging pools dedicated to light-duty vehicles and meeting the following requirements are deployed in each direction of travel with a maximum distance of 60 km in-between them: (i) by 31 December 2025, each recharging pool shall offer a power output of at least 300 kW and include at least one recharging station with an individual power output of at least 150 kW; (ii) by 31 December 2030, each recharging pool shall offer a power output of at least 600 kW and include at least two recharging stations with an individual power output of at least 150 kW;

    (b) along the TEN-T comprehensive network, publicly accessible recharging pools dedicated to light-duty vehicles and meeting the following requirements are deployed in each direction of travel with a maximum distance of 60 km in between them: (i) by 31 December 2030, each recharging pool shall offer a power output of at least 300 kW and include at least one recharging station with an individual power output of at least 150 kW; (ii) by 31 December 2035, each recharging pool shall offer a power output of at least 600 kW and include at least two recharging stations with an individual power output of at least 150 kW. 


    The European Parliament document seems to be focused on truck/bus requirements being brought forward and accessibility and signage requirements for charging hubs. Given the way the press release is worded, they may mandate pay by card being an option and that there be no access fees or overstay fees. I'd also like to see how they define "affordable". Tesla and Ionity hubs don't count either as they're not accessible to all vehicle brands, although they may if they're co-located with a ChaDeMo charger.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Tesla and Ionity hubs don't count either as they're not accessible to all vehicle brands, although they may if they're co-located with a ChaDeMo charger.

    The current commission proposal attempts to stop operators getting out of obligations by defining publicly accessible as below, in the original Alternative Fuels Directive some countries classed publicly accessible as open to 2 or more separate automotive brands. Ionity has always been classed as publicly accessible the provision of a CHAdeMO charger has nothing to do with it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭cannco253




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,995 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Paywall 😬

    I'm gonna go with maybe, as I recall the advantage of lithium sulphur is that it doesn't need as much or any rare earth metals

    The problem with these kind of breakthroughs is that it take a while to turn into a marketable product. And in the meantime other technology is advancing which might render this obsolete

    Still, the main idea is still true, that battery development is ongoing and EVs are getting better every day

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭wassie


    My take is that it isnt a breakthrough as such, but rather a generational development of existing technology.

    The real break through will be when solid state batteries, such as that being developed by ProLogium, can be produced economically at scale.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,819 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    The clickbaits pop up every few weeks across SM, the next breakthrough!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭cannco253


    “But what’s really thrilling is that a fleet of electric Hyundai IONIQ 5 cars will be powering the whole set-up, harnessing electricity through their vehicle-to-load (V2L) feature, which powers other appliances through adaptors.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,315 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Sound like a gimmick where after the demo period the cars will be removed. No mention of how or where cars will be charged. Does the car sit there or can you drive away in it? I don't think the car can charge and provide power without unplugging adapter and plugging in a different cable. It seems a waste of a whole car if it can't charge at accomodation and if it can't be driven.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,315 ✭✭✭zg3409


    All these battery " breakthroughs " are typically companies and universities looking for funding. Many of these batteries may be unsuitable for use in cars and for example may be more suited to homes . There has been constant improvement and even if a breakthrough happens it won't make existing EVs obsolete nor make them unviable.

    I tend to ignore them and I assume battery prices will go down and capacity improve and hopefully the rarer materials can be used less and less.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,101 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    From the "No discussion" thread, but I wanted to discuss.

    Does no one see the futility of ev chargers in handicapped spots? No one can use them unless you are both handicapped and in an EV. Spaces like this are where a 10m icebreaker cable would be useful!

    New charger locations (notification only, no discussion see #1) - Page 9 — boards.ie - Now Ye're Talkin'




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,995 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Well their hearts in the right place, and there's been a few people on this forum asking about EVs that can be modified for wheelchair users


    If if we're eventually going to all be driving electric, then it's a bridge that will need to be crossed at some point

    There does need to be a bit more thinking applied though. AC chargers like the ones pictured are probably straightforward enough, but imagine someone with a walker and arthritic hands trying to plug in a heavy cable from a HPC.

    You'd want some kind of crane mechanism like Kempower to hold the weight of the cable

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,988 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Yes. There is an EV charging point in the council car park opposite dundrum shopping centre. It is also at the disabled spot. However you could park to the side or in front of it and your cable should comfortably reach it. I've never done this but I've seen the charger and how it's placed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,101 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I just think with such a scare resource (with a blue badge holder in the family) of the wheelchair spots shouldnt be further constrained with having some only for while charging too. The subset of blue badge holders with EVs is quite small. We're one! So it's actually to our benefit to have these spots as if policed correctly they will likely always be free. but that's not the point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,432 ✭✭✭markpb


    I suspect you’d be ticketed by DLR parking enforcement if you did that. The space is for EV charging for disabled people only.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,995 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I wonder if we're coming at it from the wrong viewpoint, it could be said the space is primarily a disabled parking bay and a charging bay second

    I like that Aldi are trying, but I agree that the main issue is that chargers are a scarce resource.

    I mean they could put 8 HPC spaces in the car park, and just ensure that there's enough space around all the parking bays for a wheelchair users.

    Maybe put some signage up on a couple of chargers indicating people should let a blue badge holder go first, and possibly have a call button so that a driver with mobility issues could ask a staff member to help them plug in


    Tbh, if I had mobility issues I'd question the usefulness of a 7kW AC charger at a shop. They're barely useful for most people anyway

    When someone who has to treat moving around as a limited resource, I'm not sure grabbing 10kWh or so from a weekly shop is going to be worth the hassle

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,101 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    You're not doing anything wrong though. If you park adjacent to the spot and plug in. theres no law against charging in a non EV bay



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,988 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Screenshot_2022-10-10-15-19-10-890_com.google.android.apps.maps.jpg

    This is the spot. I'm not sure of the legalities of parking where the little jeep is and running your cable from there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭innrain


    I'm few times a week in that car park and never seen it in use. It is 7kW and ran by a company with a single socket in Ireland.

    I think one of the chargepoint tethered units like CP6000 is more suitable if disabled drivers are the target.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,995 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I would say you wouldn't be operating in the spirit of the rules even if you're not exactly breaking them

    Again, I question the usefulness of the spot in that picture. IIRC that car park is more used for some overnight parking so I guess it's useful for anyone in the apartments that doesn't have a home charger.

    Basically useless for anyone visiting though. I assume parking is free if you have a disabled sticker on your car?

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,819 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    From a society perspective this needs to be supported, I would not park there to charge



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