Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

Type I Diabetes... at higher risk of developing... for one.

Studies all over the place now finding this in young children and adolescents.

Mainly those with a family disposition, but while not sure yet if it 'causes' it, it may be that it sets a chain in motion that hyperstimulates an autoimmune reaction that starts the illness by atracking the insulin making cells in the pancreas.

Other long Covid problems like cardiac or respiratory problems can or may resolve in time but once your body develops an autoimmune illness like T1 Diabetes, you have it for life.

Just children who got Covid. Not about whether they got vaccinated or not, just its not a benign illness for everybody, young or old. And children do require protection fron it whether that be vaccination or just trying to ensure they don't catch it. Difficult, I know.

And just to add, development of type 1 diabetes is often, not always, triggered by a response to a viral infection, but these studies are showing the risk to be higher with covid. It is still a low risk for children generally, but doctors are now recommending that families with T1 diabetes in their genetic history observe their children for signs of diabetes, thirst peeing lots and frequently, sleeping more, losing a lot of weight without trying, in the first month or two after infection.

Apoarently the risk level falls back after about 2 months to the usual levels of incidence.

all of what he said

Interesting.

Have never heard of this connected to a vaccine , infections yes .

Only similar reaction would be a vaso vagal episode which would cause a similar response to an injection for example .

Fainting .

Unless you have data about this in relation to vaccines ??

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9170305/

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/10/7/991/htm

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8101507/

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13760-022-02002-2

https://academic.oup.com/ehjcr/article/5/12/ytab472/6444985

A few studies regarding cases of pots after covid 19 vaccination. I know there are a ton of people on reddit claiming this has happened to them but obviously take that with a grain of salt!

Joseph A. Ladapo MD, PhD, State Surgeon General of Florida as of 7th October recommends against the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines for males ages 18-39 years old.

They have done a study of mortality following mRNA Covid-19 vaccination and found that “there is an 84% increase in the relative incidence of cardiac-related death among males 18-39 years old within 28 days following mRNA vaccination.”

Consequently they suggest that “Individuals with preexisting cardiac conditions, such as myocarditis and pericarditis, should take particular caution when considering vaccination and discuss with their health care provider.”

And issued the following guidance: “patients should be informed of the possible cardiac complications that can arise after receiving a mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. With a high level of global immunity to COVID-19, the benefit of vaccination is likely outweighed by this abnormally high risk of cardiac- related death among men in this age group.”

The study also found:

• Males over the age of 60 had a 10% increased risk of cardiac-related death within 28 days of mRNA vaccination
• Non-mRNA vaccines were not found to have these increased risks among any population

https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/20221007-guidance-mrna-covid19-vaccines-doc.pdf

Personally, I like the idea of an informed consent. Great idea. About 1.5 year late though.

well Look at when he was appointed. At the time he didn’t want vaccines, refused to order vaccines for the state and plays the antivax card. So yes he is. He has been known as one for a while. Could he be right, sure. But I’m waiting on 49 other state surgeon generals to agree with. Clearly there is at least one..

Does getting Covid give any immune protection?

Thanks - that’s interesting and puts my mind at ease about another booster. Three doses and an omicron infection should keep me going awhile. Just need the flu shot now.

I expect when the data from Florida is looked at they will find that the people who were vaccinated were higher risk than the people who did not get vaccinated to begin with.

The study presumes that the people in both groups were of equal risk. This is contrary to what we know and uptake of vaccines is higher in higher risk groups.

The study also fails to even consider if there was an increase year on year in actual cardiac related deaths.

The data really needs to be drilled into. It is way to premature to make any decisions or recommendations based on this data.

I agree completely with the summary in previous post:

They recommend further studies which remove the confounders before "drawing any conclusions" on this data. However Ladapo has jumped straight away, most would say because of his bias and not his trust in the science.

The data largely supports government actions though, most governments, left and right, let the scientists guide policy as much as possible.

It's mostly "far right" incompetents like trump, bolsanaro, or dictatorships (e.g. Uganda) that tried to go against scientific advice, politicised the problem, and made the pandemic much worse than it needed to be (along with taking advantage of whole new bunch of loo-lahs via conspiracies).

Not a great look here in the context of the vaccine passports at least. Seemed more interested in being the first to market than anything else. No wonder the contracts with the EU are mostly redacted.

Not really, trump was calling for the rush to market while others were letting the process take the time it needs to be safe (and they are proven overwhelmingly safe).

The trials also tested for symptomatic infection, that was made clear to everyone from day 1. Now, could there be magic fairies about that cause sars-cov2 to spread without any symptoms, sure, do they need to test for such things? No, if you eliminate the symptom's, you also (mostly) eliminate infections as well (SARS-COV2 did have a few early symptom super spreader events which made it hard to control but seemed to be rare enough that they didn't cause issue for vaccines, so there was a low chance of the magic fairy occurring, which again, wouldn't be reasonably tested for). And they were proven right, infections among the vaccinated dropped off a cliff, severe disease was almost eliminated, as the vaccine effects waned, infections rose but severe disease efficacy remained in place for all variants.

+ more whataboutery

It sounds like he doesn't understand the trials full stop.

And the grasp of science seems tenuous.

But just for a larf, what do you think the trial endpoints were?

I miss the term ”antivax”! We hear it all too seldom nowadays.