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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    It's very hard I think to predict the eventual outcome. So much depends on the morale of the Russian military and the true level of belief that they and the public back home have in this war. It's one thing to go in and occupy territory, another to fight & die to keep it. And they are neighbours after all, with many family links.

    Ukraine has taken major infrastructural damage where the war has taken place, their economy flattened and much suffering among the population. It's been transformative for them. So where do they draw any line? Maybe ceding some territory in Luhansk and regaining Crimea? But will only eventually negotiate with successor to Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Ukrainian flag raised in Novomykolaivka of Kherson region, looks like the Dnipro River will be the new front line

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Davydiv Brod has also apparently been abandoned. Both sides have suffered heavy casualties to take this city, and in one swoop the Russians have abandoned it.

    Untitled Image

    The map will look something like this by the end of the day at the rates things are going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,221 ✭✭✭✭briany




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Wes M.


    Many thanks Briany. The single host sermons are always an interesting watch. It's a cliche to reference it, but it really does conjure up Nineteen Eighty-Four...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Given that since mobilization was announced, 250'000 + military age men have left Russia for safer Country's, you would think that by now, anti -war protests would be springing up like mushrooms amongst these war refugees? Seeing that now they are safe from Putin persecution. But where are they? Or is it a case that they agree with the war, but don't want to go and fight it? If that's the case, they should not be given protection, but be sent back home and take their chances, same as Ukrainians and their fellow Russian citizens are doing every day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    Anyone have a link to a video map from the start of the war up till today?

    I have an image of the red area going in towards central Ukraine like a wave and now coming back out again.

    Edit: found this one for Kharkiv in last month. Gonna check their feed for more.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    So they're on the defense rather than offence. Interesting turn of events.

    It's a real fight in reality, never seen anything like it.

    During the Gulf wars the west kept going East... this war it's push and pull



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,757 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Not a video, but on https://liveuamap.com/ you can use the Time link at the top right to see where the front line was on any date this year.



  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Marie Strong Pocketful


    There are protests but they're being quenched.

    Anyone protesting is immediately conscripted hence why there are videos of men breaking arms and legs.

    Anyone expecting an organised march with lovely banners and chants are away with the fairies. Thats not allowed in Russia.

    Russians have to protest differently.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Wes M.


    Yep, the point is well made. I wonder are most of the Russian diaspora just keeping their heads down now and hoping for a way back home...

    I might get roasted for offering this opinion, but I have some sympathy for people who refrain from protesting, in Russia anyhow. Getting picked up for voicing any kind of anti-war statement leads to fines and perhaps a cracked skull from an overzealous security officer, but I read somewhere that getting charged with that kind of offense gets you put on the equivalent of a sex offenders list, which severely hobbles prospects and employment and so on. Just another way the Krelim erodes the right to say, "No"....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,596 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    I tell ya by the end of this I'm going to be fairly good at Ukrainian geography

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Ukraine is taking back more parts of Russia

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,203 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    That train, as per the photo I provided, contained a whole host of vehicles, none of which is the one you imply was the sole cargo. Someone questioning something doesn't make it a fact, it's just an alternative hypothesis, and this is clear from the comments by Konrad Musyka, who apart from stating that the train and equipment does indeed belong to the 12th Directorate, thinks it's 'only' nuclear sabre rattling, which does not preclude him from being wrong as the possibility remains that this movement of equipment might still be associated with the core function of that unit.

    I'm likely older than you, so stow the condescension.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,629 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It looks like it will end in a huge military defeat for the Putin regime. All the signs are of an army in retreat, which will be unable to turn things around in the next 3-6 months. The mobilisation has almost certainly come way too late.

    How this plays out in Moscow for the dictator is anyone's guess and much harder to predict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,736 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Will be interesting to see where the line stabilises now. If AFU can push down to the dam, then the Russians are down to one damaged road bridge and maybe one rail bridge in and out of Kherson. Both of which would also be well within striking range, as well as a large swathe of ground south of the river.

    If they had any cop-on they’d pull back to a new line south of the river now, before its too late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,409 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    They ran to avoid being sent to fight proberly a fair number of them have no problem with what Putin is doing as long as they are not directly involved .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And yet, the ones who did protest and paid the price for it will be the hero's when Putin is ousted, let those protests be at home (preferably) or abroad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭rogber


    Elon has a new fan (from the Guardian):

    The Kremlin has praised the Tesla boss, Elon Musk, for suggesting a possible peace deal to end the war in Ukraine, after Kyiv rebuked him for proposing terms it viewed as rewarding Russia.

    The Kremlin spokesperson, Dmitry Peskov, told reporters in a conference call:

    It is very positive that somebody like Elon Musk is looking for a peaceful way out of this situation.

    Compared to many professional diplomats, Musk is still searching for ways to achieve peace. And achieving peace without fulfilling Russia’s conditions is absolutely impossible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,221 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Interesting site, here, listing the Russian losses in various forms since the invasion began.

    To be clear, this is based on Ukrainian estimates, so take them with a pinch of salt if you feel that's necessary.

    For example, the UAF are claiming Russia are down around 2,500 tanks since the beginning of the invasion, which is double what's been visually confirmed as lost by the Russians, as quoted by @correct horse battery staple . Even if you take the half number, it's still more than what the Russians are reported to have initially committed in Ukraine, which is another thing that really conveys what a hell this war is for the Russians.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, I know what it's like. I lived there for several years, but for the ones who have escaped??? Seems that the agree with the war, but not if they have tom actually go and fight in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,221 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @jmreire

    Seems that the agree with the war, but not if they have tom actually go and fight in it.

    I believe that state of mind is known as Ted Nugent Syndrome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    "When Putin is ousted", what then?

    Look at the calls for escalation those around him are making. Simply removing Putin won't be enough, the whole regime needs to go and that's going to be very difficult in a country that appreciates the strong man leader.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,203 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    People should not forget that Bill Gates profiteered from Ireland's misfortune and was in like Flynn to stick his snout in the trough. We, the Irish taxpayer, were paying this vulture 10 or so percent while struggling as a country and prevailing interest rates were close to zero.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    I was in Dublin city centre at the weekend and there was a small protest with maybe 20 or so Ukrainians opposite the GPO and two guys where holding up "Russian and opposed to the war" placards so im guessing they where Russian but overall i agree the lack of protests given the amount of people who have fled tells it's own story about the Russian mindset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,203 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Ukraine is taking back parts of Ukraine - that is implied in the 'take back' bit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    TOKYO, Oct 4 (Reuters) - Japan ordered a Russian consul in Sapporo to leave the country by October 10 in retaliation for the expulsion of a Japanese consul in Vladivostok last month, the foreign ministry said on Tuesday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,203 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    While it was said that Russia's military comprised a million people, Russia's special counter-protest police number over two million. Russia is likely like China in spending considerably more to protect the ruling elite from the people than it does on protecting the country from external threats. Both countries could be viewed in essence as vast prison camps.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    They reproach me here that I drive people into depression with my news. Say, you need a positive. Well, the time is such, there will be no good news in the near future. Neither from the Kherson front, nor from now Lugansk.


    In many of our sectors, let's say, fatigue has set in after a long offensive period, during which large territories were liberated. But there is no longer any strength left to hold them.


    Why is that? Because there are not enough people. Although, for sure, in the “staff” everything looked different. These slaps in the face were needed so that everyone would understand how it really is. After that, they announced a partial mobilization.


    The enemy, on the other hand, brings prepared reserves into battle, realizes an advantage in both manpower and intelligence. The time they spent retreating and on the defensive, Kyiv used to prepare new combat-ready formations.


    You can sprinkle ashes on your head and tear your chest hair with a cry of “Everything is lost!” But now we need to do the same thing - to prepare people to dilute the bloodless units with them. Solve interaction and communication problems. Set up rears.


    We drove now from Kremennaya to Svatovo. I don’t see panic, hatred either. The men are preparing for heavy battles for the territory of the Russian Federation. Which we have to win back when the operational crisis of the NWO is overcome.

    No longer any strength!



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