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1967 VW Variant.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭wildwillow


    I’m always intrigued at how some people can transfer their art to different materials. Your sculpture is divine. Enjoy the wedding and I hope they appreciate your talent.

    I wouldn’t be a fan of the previous car sculpted from expanding foam.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    I think Yew is such a spectacular timber that it looks great just polished up, thats why abstract forms in yew appeal to me. It relies as much on the beauty of the material in its figurative gran pattern, as it does on the sculpted form..


    I suppose this means that I get back to more metal bashing now😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,469 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I can tell what it is, so it's not really abstract 😁

    It's beautiful and something they will treasure forever.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    True, but thats a whole other thread😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭MrCostington


    Fantastic work with the sculpture! and as always with the car too.



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    True, but thats a whole other thread


    I'm always amazed at the beauty of yew timber for such a project. It has a spectacular grain pattern that really comes through with the right polish, and elbow grease.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭alfa beta




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    He is not into classic cars.........I dont know where i went wrong🤣



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    So with all the sculpture out of the way, and a new kitchen for the missus, ( keeps her off me back ha,ha,)

    Back to the variant next week.....finally, to get the front end tidied up and welded.Hooray.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Well back on track. I checked and double check that my new side panels were up to the task. So I took off the wings to get better access for welding. I was greeted with a rather dismal looking wheelhouse panel. Its not what I expected as the wings are still rock solid.

    The panels are peppered with rust holes completely. So trying to fill these rust holes is a pure waste of time, as I would end up burning the panel completely to oblivion. So I put on the thinking cap over a cuppa and a break.


    Reminds me of starry, starry night..he,he.

    Only real solution is a replacement panel, problem is they are unavailable. And if they were, its a 1000 euro a side. Not gonna happen.

    So its panel making time....again. Not my choice but i have no choice unfortunately. Panel is to big to make in one go for me with damaged shoulders, so I will have to make it in a couple of pieces. I wasn't expecting this, but if i want the car driving its what has to happen





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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    THis is the total wheelhouse panel needed each side. If it was available which its currently not. Cost 550 euro plus 250 shipping. So 800 in total, so realistically thats not going to happen.So i need to get the mig tuned up and good to go.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    When I was working on them, they were called inner valances, and your ones are still holding their shape pretty well, so I guess with your metal working skills, you'll get it sorted just fine. The MIG is your friend. Good Luck, and keep the updates coming, OK? Thanks.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Plan is to make the top half panel form just above the wing bolt holes, down to the petrol filler hole centreline on the right, parallel to the top edge of the panel and over to the centreline of the small hole on the left. There or there abouts.

    The top edge will just be to the top edge of the panel, but I will cut below top edge of existing, and put a rebated edge on the new panel about 6 mm wide. This allows me to proved a supporting 6mm lapped edge along the cut body just below the bonnet edge.

    THis allows me place the lap on the inside of the cut edge, and gives me a flush face on the inner face of the new panel. Then when I am welding it will be directed onto the new metal as opposed to blasting any more holes in possibly weaker existing metal.


    Thats the plan, but we all know how that can go pear shaped.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    There shape is not bad, but when i get through cleaning and prepping them for welding, I dont think they would hold up to well to the heat. I think the mig would make short work of the, and the mig doesn't like the minutest bit of rust as you know. Yeah I have heard them called valances, wheelhouse panel seem s to be the new one. I dont care what they are called, i just wish i had 2 nos, ha,ha.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, it looks pretty firm where the wing bolts on. That was what I meant when I said that it was holding it's shape pretty well. If it was a Beetle, than I'd say that there are still new old stock valances to be got, but for the Variant?, not so much I guess. ( unfortunately }



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Yeah loads of stuff for the beetles and campers, but the type 3 stuff is thin on the ground.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Just marked out the template to put me in the ball park for cutting. And when i have rough cut it, i will drill the wing bolt holes, and then bolt the cut metal to the body and it will stabilize it for me when I am trimming the lower parts of the new metal for fitting.

    Apologies for the poor pics but " goddammit Jim, I'm a car doctor, not a photographer"🤣





  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    I decided to go with clicker pins to hold the panel in place for marking/cutting/bending and fettling.

    It places the panel in the identical position everytime to minimise errors in lining up. Plus its handier than messing with panel vice grips. They work by expanding in the drilled hole when the pliers is off them. They are spring loaded to clamp when they are at rest so to speak.Naturally enough this metal panel will be the new template in its flat state to use to mark out a cutting template for the other side..





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭jippo nolan


    Those clicker pins are used to hold aircraft skins together while riveting!



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Good days work done today. I marked and make the paper templates, cut out the metal panel oversize. Then clicker pinned it to the body, and took a few more measurements. Then i cut the panel to suit, a bit of trimming here and there. Then went over to the plannishing hammer, and worked the profile as best I could, considering I didn't have a wheel to finish the final smoothing, but its ok.


    I then re positioned the panel to a slightly higher position, marked it for trimming , and this is where we are after a few hours.





  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Wouldn't you think they would put in an old spot weld or two, rivets me arse, at least I am fully welding🤣🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭jippo nolan




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,401 ✭✭✭jonski


    You should be putting this up on Youtube . It's ridiculous expecting someone of my limited intelligence to visualise what you are doing :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Back in the day, I remember oxy/acty gas welding Aluminum. Never tried spot welding though, but I don't see why not. The main difference between gas welding metals steel, iron etc and aluminum is that you can see the weld pool forming in steel etc, but it happens very quickly with aluminum, and you have to know how to judge it.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    With the fine weather recently, the weekend was a great opportunity to take out the &" fastback to knock the cobwebs off if for a few runs. Only kept to a local area just to see how it would wake up after its winter slumber. I noticed going up one hill that I was lacking a small bit of power, and put it down to driving up the hill in too high a gear at the start. And carried on me way. All good no frights of any description..

    It was time for an oil change and I did that and took it for a spin. I noticed that on the journey at55 km an hour there was some vibration at the wheel. So drove home at 4o km which had no vibration at all. Inspected the front right wheel off the ground, and it was locked solid. So a seized caliper was probably the issue.


    Stripped it down and re polished the pistons which were locked into the caliper. Cleaned the caliper, and covered the seals, and the inner caliper in rubber grease, re assembled, bled the caliper. Job done




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And that solved your problem ? I imagine that the disc would have gotten fairly hot with a sticking brake caliper...was the disc itself scored? But anyway always very satisfying after discovering a problem, being able to identify it and then fixing it.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Luckily enough I am well in tune with the way my classics run. And i know the instant there is a slight change in its overall handling. I had an inkling very recently that the right hand caliper was not fully releasing as quick as the left hand one, all the tell tale signs were spotted a few weeks ago. Slight pull to the right on braking , which I was hoping would return to normal after a bit of driving.

    But it switched to a pull to the left, hinting at it now being fully ceased and non operational. I was careful enough to drive sedately while all this was going on, so there was no overheating of the new discs i put on last year. As a matter of fact, I always check the heat from all the wheels when i return from a journey. Its the quickest way to pinpoint any wheel that is heating beyond the rest of them.


    On any of the classic vw I have i always renew the brake drums, discs, pads and shoes as quick as possible.

    Problem with the type 3's is the lack of availability of new calipers. Cant be got, so rebuilding is the only option... And all the reference manuals I have for the vw's suggests fitting pistons dry, which i did. I#ve since found new data which suggests lubricating all the caliper parts during rebuild with Red rubber grease which is designed for brake caliper rebuilds.

    So i did that this time round. Its not a big deal as the calipers are easily removed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, thats an old trick, after a drive, just put your hand on the wheels and see if any are hot to the touch. On the Beetles, it was very easy to over tighten the brake shoes against the drums,,,,the standard was tighten the adjuster until the wheel locked, then slacken off the adjuster 4 notches'. But sometimes, they were not backed off enough, and in extreme cases, could seize up, stopping the wheel completely. strange ( but lucky too, for you) The calipers as a unit were unavailable,,,,,but the pistons and seal's were. I guess that the same piston sizes are shared between different caliper manufacturers? Far as I remember, we always used a heat resistance grease to lubricate them too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,469 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    This is a very common problem with motorcycles and indeed is a job facing me in the near enough future! I'll be putting in new OEM pistons (8 in all - just for the front!) and seals

    Just interested in how did you free up the seized piston and how did you clean it up? Is it steel? Motorcycle brake pistons are invariably plated alloy and once the plating is damaged they're basically ruined.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Ideally i want a new set of calipers which I tried to get, but were unavailable. My own calipers were ok , but I still would like to buy new.

    The red rubber grease is heat resistant as you correctly mentioned. All the beetle stuff is readily available. Beetle calipers would have fitted the early type 3, the 1302 calipers if i remember correctly.

    But in 71 vw changed to a bigger caliper on the type 3, so the old beetle part wont do now. I think the bolt distances changed to an additional 16mm distance. I am always on the lookout for 42 mm pistons for the calipers, but i have not pinned down a set yet.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    When i stripped the caliper, it was dry, and a slight bit of corrosion on the extreme piston edge out side of the caliper dust boot, that I never filled with grease when I did them before.

    Caliper body was in great order anyway when I did them a couple of years ago, and the pistons were good as well. I polished up the pistons any way with wet n dry, finishing with 3000 grit polishing paper.

    But they were good anyway. But long term I would like to replace with new if i can. If I cant do that I will try new pistons if I can get them. Faling that I might contact a brake rebuilding company to see what I can get if anything.


    But i am always in tune with how my cars drive, so i know when there is an issue.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    I made the template for the bottom section of the valance just above the wheel. I also put on the bead along the wing edge. My bead roller is a short one so i could not work the panel across the machine, so I ran the end beads of the panel across, and the inner beads along the length of the panel.

    Now the panel is very rigid, so I just need to tack weld the short panel in place, and this is then a rigid bulkhead panel, ready for the finishing panels to be attached.





  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    I have decided to cut the rusty valance at the top edge of the panel, about 12mm below the edge where the rubber seal sits. This does 2 things for me. First it removes the severe rust from the proposed welded seam. And second this cut line allows a right angle face with the horizontal edge. So this gives me a 90 degree supporting angle which is very strong. It maintains the line along the edge of the bonnet mating edge, down to the nose. As well as this I will weld in a supporting brace if I need it.

    You can see from the pictures how bad the rust is. Normally this would be heading for the scrapper, but as its on an endangered species list, its worth trying to save. And the fact that i have plenty of time, sure what else would i be doing😁


    Probably be cutting roughly through the bolt centres

    It would be a waste of time to try to clean this and weld through it, it would be burnt away. If in doubt,cut it out.

    THis panel along the face of the door post, which is good and solid. Door post is solid, the rest is tayto, and all full of nice compound curves🤥



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    At the top of the new panel which would normally be butt welded , if the existing metal was good. I am going to support the old cut remaining metal with a joggled joint. This will support the cut joint, and because new metal is behind the existing, I get to avoid welding the existing edge directly.

    I can direct my weld line more so onto new metal, rather than the existing. But the weld pool will flow to the existing, but gets less direct heat than butt welding it.



    Here you can see the lowered part of the new panel marked X.

    And the test piece clamped to check the fitting

    And this check to make sure the joggle is deep enough to give an acceptable panel alignment, where the weld will be along the level part of the panel next to the test piece edge.





  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Got on well today after fixing the welding shroud on the mig that would not stay on. After which I checked the welds which were greatly improved since yesterday evening. From the pics you can see a nice bead, and great penetration through the sheet.




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    I also made a template for the inner large part of the wheel house panel, and I think I am now in the ballpark for final fettling to get this panel right and trimmed to weld to the other new part. I purposely left in the existing rotten panel to act as a former to build my new panel on. That way I can check my progress as i go.


    template from brown paper sheet, was made first, and this allowed me to cut out a basic metal panel that i could manage to work on.

    After rough cutting with a 4" cutting disc, I kept shaping and fitting, rinse repeat. I then used a made up tool to roughly position where I would be joining the metal sheets.

    Then when I thought I was roughly in position I checked to see if my panel was touching the rotten panel below, to make sure i was properly positioned.

    Happy that it was i moved on.

    After a bit more fettling, with a hammer and a bag, I got the panel roughly shaped to fit where its going. I ran a few beads along the edge where the wiring loom will be running, and fitted it temporarily.

    And just to check the petrol tank area to make sure there are no surprises waiting, which there wasn't

    So all good so far. Plan next week is to get these parts spotted, removed, and fully welded into an assembled panel.

    Post edited by kadman on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    That's a fine job you have done. Very original looking. Good workmanship.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    I would like to have had the long neck bead roller to exactly match the original, but I dont have one. So its well up in the wheel arch and hidden, so no biggie. Maybe santy will bring me an english wheel too😉



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    In your last pic, showing the track rod and chassis rail above it, did you reinforce the chassis with an insert box section? You were lucky enough to have the door pillar box section sound enough too. Was it good all the way down to the heater duct tube and floor? I seem to have a memory of those giving trouble, especially on the passenger side. The door would not be opened as much as the DS one, and the bottom hinge used to seize up. That could cause major trouble when it happened🙄 And maybe you will be lucky with Santa this year....😂



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    The door post section is in great order, lucky enough, except for the last 2 " of the forward facing peace. Si uts an easy fix. Plus the door hinge is nice and free.Bottom part of the chassis is in perfect order where the front beam attaches to, do no issues there. Some times the beam brackets rust away. Above the trackrod its the petrol tank framing piece. No longer available for the left hand side, so this had to be made copying the right hand one. It serves to attach the petrol tank. The original VW piece is made from non reinforced 1 mm pressed steel, so mine should be fine. But I could reinforce if I want to, as I have left a box opening below this piece to pop in something. I will deal with it on the fly as they say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, I know the fuel tank " square box frame" and it would have been tricky enough to make, even to have the opposite to use as a template. Ditto the part of the valance that carry's the rubber seal, tricky in the extreme! But as for the Centre "Tunnel", which branches out to form the "Y" frame, at the front, and " Fork" at the rear, and is effectly the chassis on which everything rests and depends on. They rarely give trouble, even after many years of service. Its only when you work on them, that you realize just a great the design was. Pity they didn't have the anti-corrosion treatment that became available in later years.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Tomorrow I will be working on the left caliper to grease the pistons with the red rubber grease. As the right hand one is working so efficiently, its biting before the left causing a slight pull to the right. So not too worry its a quick enough fix that needs doing.


    hey Jim, do you do any vw mechanics at all now. There is a major opening for one that is VW savvy, which you clearly are😀



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Caliper on the white type3 now done and dusted and working nicely. Sticking piston as opposed to severely seized. So polished and cleaned the piston and caliper, a bit of grease and its operating nicely.


    Back to the 67, and the more rust I see on the wheel house area, the more I question my sanity of repairing it🤣

    Missus already made that diagnosis many years ago. She tells me I'm mad to be doing it😄

    Once i remove the rusty panel and inspect further into the cross member and heater channels, I can see if they are beyond repairing. heater channels is not a problem, but the cross member under the dash, might be. Its unobtainable, and might be very tricky to make . Just going out now to remove the spotwelds, and have a look see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Out to pasture now Kadman, Time to go after 50 odd years at it!! I service the Family cars, and that's about it. But as you can see, I'm very interested in the restoration that you are doing, especially the version that you are working on. For awhile, after retiring I was tempted to start on a VW project all right, but it got put on the long finger, and now ( I think) I'll content myself with following your restoration... LOL😊😊😊

    ( BTW Thanks for mentioning it to me)



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Maybe I should be out to pasture as well, in the next field, I'm pushing 68 now,

    Come back to the vdubs JM, they are crying out for a mechanic on the clubs. You know you want to.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Now that I have 95% of the wheelhouse panel removed, the dog can see the rabbit. The areas where the new panels will be attached is sound enough, but because of the size of the area to be filled , it may have to go in , in a couple of panels.

    I am going to start with the door post panel, as that's the most important panel, and hopefully fit the bigger panel to it. Depending on any major discrepancies occurring , I may then have to fit an infill panel somewhere between the 2.


    When i cut the panel along the boot edge, I expected it to become flexible a bit. It remained firm enough along its line which is a major boost, of course the right angle edge here did that.


    Post edited by kadman on


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Today I welded in the full half panel, and the smaller complex shape panel. Not bad as things go, but time consuming. Just have to lal in the last horizontal section this side. Then its grinding, cleaning up, pin hole filling, all the usual associated with rust.


    My auto darkening helmet played up today with not allowing me to work with any led lights, blast it. So some of the time I was starting to weld in the dark.


    A helping hand off the block work.


    And the small panel .


    Small panel offered up for a trial fit

    So next is the long panel, then all the grinding flush for the welding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Youv'e made a fine job of the valance section to the door pillar!! Especially that small contrary add in piece ( not that any of it was easy!!!) The high strip of metal, at the very top, its the carrier for the rubber molding / bonnet strip ? Looks good too, and for sure, that piece would be problematic in the extreme, if you had to manufacture it. And the section behind the shock absorber mounting is very natural looking. Well done, you're getting there.!!😊



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