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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    I stand corrected. Indeed, on mine too, it says it was written 7 days ago.


    There you go, even I make mistakes....




    Lol..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Let's be clear there is zero chance the us did it, I would bet everything I own on it. A country whose ideology is to export capital markets and development to help enrich itself and enhance it's own security is not in the business of blowing up infrastructure of it's allies. It's a ludicrous suggestion.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,815 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Reasonable point, but it would take a lot to convince me that if the US did it, they did it without the agreement of their European NATO allies. It will eventually be discovered who did it and if it turns out it was the US on their own initiative their European alliances will be in tatters.

    If it was a deliberate act my money would still be on Russia (why? no idea to be honest).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    If it becomes obvious that Russia are "all in", you'll probably see more sabotaging of infrastructure.

    However, I very much doubt that either Russia or Ukraine would go "all in" and destroy any hope of a negotiated settlement.

    If Ukraine or the west weren't hoping for some sort of future settlement, they would probably have blown up the Crimean bridge already for example. But they know that Russia would be even less likely to abandon their land bridge to Crimea in those circumstances.

    These countries will always maintain certain bargaining chips to use as leverage for future negotiations. It would be foolish not to, regardless of what they say publicly.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    I'm 100% against this war (just to clarify that, ya know).But I struggle to see how Russia damaging those pipelines makes sense.

    I mean not even in crazy land does it make a whole pile of sense.It's not even vindictive, it's not really anything other than....a weird amount of effort for little or no gain.

    Don't who else might be motivated either mind you.And it seems fairly clear that is was intentional sabotage, and nothing accidental.🤨



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    You're right, and that makes more sense - the news sites were awash with the 2015 agreement (which was even controversial at the time). Thanks for the clarification.

    In fact, as someone else mentioned above, the US has removed its arms embargo on Cyprus as they have agreed to ban Russian naval ships from their ports (and have agreed to US monitoring of this). From September 25th 2022:

    The complete lifting of the US arms embargo, which was welcomed by Nicosia as a historic and landmark decision, is with strings attached. Russian navy ships are barred from docking in Cyprus ports, even for refuelling, and the US will be monitoring the situation and carrying out an annual review. This is unlikely to go down well in Moscow, which had made its displeasure known back in 2020 when the US conditions for the partial lifting of the embargo that were included in the East Med Act were announced. The refuelling of Russian navy ships continued until the EU sanctions were imposed, but will not resume, if the military cooperation with the US is to be maintained.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    Very unusual footage. "Movie 61. Brig. Infantry showing 2 🇺🇦 Su-24 bombers delivering CAS 🇺🇦 to troops in #DavydivBrid, obw. #Kherson dropping bombs with a delay parachute on 🇷🇺 a tank hidden in the forest, destroying it."


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Well unless you understand Russian, you won't know if they are genuine or fake ( as some are saying, and they could well be right) But even just going by facial expressions, and general attitude ( especially the she witch) there's a change in mannerisms anyway. All that previous Gung-Ho positive attitude seems to be not so prevalent anymore.



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It makes sense if you are Russia,to have an excuse to blame the west, to get the Russian people to think they are at war with NATO.

    That way they have a reason to mobilize more troops and use nuclear weapons.

    And trust me,Russia is losing in Ukraine and getting more and more desperate,so this will only get worse before it gets better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,067 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Look at what they did with their commercial airline industry at a cost of multiple billions...

    Cutting off nose to spite face? Yes. Russia have already done so.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,623 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    As soon as they put a live AK in the hands of conscripts for training, particularly those from the ethnic minorities, they'll just shoot the instructors and the officers.

    Why would they not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭paul71


    So you do because you are chairlviant and you knew they were coming? How very odd!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭circadian


    It's possible Putin and his cronies know they could be kicked out in the coming months considering how the population has reacted to their first draft. I can't think of anyone else that would want to do this or what they would gain beyond outgoing Russians destroying things on their way out so when those that come into power want to sit down and talk have one less financial tool to work with.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Me in that post pointing out the BS on both sides of this war.... You not liking something you find difficult to argue run to projection and insult. Maybe link up another obvious pro Russian shill vid on the tube?

    That's if you believe the Germans and the Russians are looking for an out. The Germans are dragging their heels to some degree, but their partners in the EU and NATO aren't. They've upped their support against Russia. The US has made it an official military campaign and official lend lease in the billions. Two things that would make it much more difficult for any new US government and president to row back on. They could list Russia as a state sponsor on terror next(Americans and irony being strange bedfellows). Plus the G7 oil cap and insurance restrictions on Russian shipping and the EU upping their next set of sanctions.

    If it comes out the US blew these pipelines then Germany to force them to take US LNG, then feelings would be much more likely to pivot back to Russia. Never mind the French, the British and the rest of Europe asking serious questions of American "help" and intentions. Now US military thinking can be stupid at times, but completely against their interests? Yes you have their LNG, which the EU is already buying.

    I'd be very surprised if the Chinese had the capability or the intent. Their two biggest markets are the US and EU at nearly one trillion per year. For all their "support" for Russia, the Chinese aren't going to hit themselves in the pocket by destabalising either, but especially the EU, especially at the moment with their own economic issues.

    The Norwegians and their line? Seems like an awful lot of effort for a non military organisation to go to and one which would have many more ears and eyes involved being civillian so more chance of being found out. Never mind that because of Russia's invasion and energy blackmail the Norwegians are in the perfect position to get Europe to pivot to them. Europe already is. And to the ME and to North Africa.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    It's not quite like that in Russia. Think of a people who were the product of generations of communism, and you ( and your Family) were just a Nr in the system. Communism, whatever about its lofty ideals of the worker's paradise. in reality it was the most corrupt system ever devised. So when it did eventually fall apart ( largely due to corruption ) a lot of the system and more importantly, the mindset stayed in place. So you had a compliant society to deal with,,and when Putin arrived on the scene, it was ready made for him. None the less, this "Special Limited " mobilization might be the trigger for a revolt. It's the one thing Putin and his minions have been afraid of all along.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Of nearly all the Russian moves during this war, that act completely floored me tbh. I truly couldn't believe the utter kneejerk stupidity of it. Did anyone tell them what this would mean? It was almost nada to do with the aircraft themselves.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    Your observations are spot on. In layman's terms there's a lot of acting the maggot going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    But its not their allies infrastructure, its Russia's infrastructure which they are using to blackmail Germany.

    Having it taken out of the picture means there is no more blackmail. There is now no situation in which Germans come to Russia agreeing to lift sanctions or stop supplying arms to Ukraine in exchange for much needed gas, because the pipeline now has 3 Steven Seagal shaped holes in them.

    And the day before there was a protest in Germany about reopening nord-stream, timing is impeccable


    So you do because you are chairlviant and you knew they were coming? How very odd!

    Of all the spellings of that word I've seen, chairl-viant takes the cake 🤣🤣



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I would add that you also had a very insecure population who had gone from the Soviet Union and her power and standing in the world to a rogue state falling apart and being raped by gangsters feeling laughed at by their old enemies. Then along comes putin, effectively nationalised the gangsters, got rid of those who wouldn't toe the line and made sure the rest started dropping crumbs from their table to the Russian people. He gave them their country back in many ways and gave them their pride back with it. The improvements from say 1995 and 2005 in Russia were huge and for most Russian people, especially in the cities. You ask any Russian over say 40 who remembers the 90's and you'll see why he has so much support.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just an FYI - there's no such think as a she-witch. Witch is already feminine. 🙂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    As was seen in that movie " Enemy at the gate", where whatever chance you had facing the Germans, retreating you had none because they had machine guns set up to discourage any such retreating notions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    You in that post, imagining your opinions are somehow facts... they're not. They're just opinions.

    Oh, and there were zero insults in my reply, so not sure where you're getting that from? We're all a bunch of nobody's on the internet, expressing our opinions.

    Like I said, I'll make my own mind up thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭seenitall


    My money is firmly on Ruzkiss blowing up the pipes, simply because they are pointing the finger at Joe. Before they did that, I was unsure. You can count of them to always go for a lie and an obfuscation, not to say gaslighting (no pun intended, honestly!), as the first principle.

    Major projection mentality. As with the assurances they won’t invade, the Moskva chip-pan accident etc. Whatever they say they didn’t or won’t do, they did and will do - and vice versa. I don’t think they can help it at all, it’s firmly embedded in their mentality, going by the last few months. All part of the 4D chess master players delusion.



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We have a new Russia after the referendum,notice they still kept Kaliningrad




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    This is where I am.It has removed a bargaining chip for Russia, which is why it seems strange that Russia would have done it.

    There is a high likelihood that those pipes will now be useless - the gas will blow out of them, they'll fill with saltwater.

    I still would put nothing past Russia, but on this one I admit, I really can't see who would be responsible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,471 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I'd *imagine that valves could be closed at certain stages leaving just one stage "flooded" that could be individually repaired.

    The next question is whether russia have sent anyone to assess the damage and limit the impact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    I would think this is very unlikely.

    Putin is not universally liked, but then neither is the west.

    The west is praying for a revolt or someone to take out Putin, but Russians really don't like when the west tries to tell them how to run their country. Or interfere in their region in general. And besides, there are many people in Russia who share Putin's views on Ukraine. (even if they don't necessarily agree with his present actions there)



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty




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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Unless putin has decided bargaining time is over, this is now a war with Europe and the US/NATO, so I'll blow the two pipelines as a final act of "negotiation". Now both the US and the Russians have been denying and pointing the finger at each other, but nobody's being close to certain and "official" yet, or it's not gone public.

    Still it's all very odd, serves pretty much nobody and escalates things even more. It's at times like this that simple mistakes on one side or the other can get very real, very quickly and escalate beyond the initial battlefield and get much worse.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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