There's a theory that it is the Russians sending a message to the west: We can do this to your undersea stuff too...
Russia love the oul’ false flag operations. I wouldn’t be looking anywhere else. Especially in the context of them requesting an urgent UNSC meeting as @GM228 posted earlier.
NS2 was already dead. Its an empty, useless pipe.
Germany and the Baltic countries will know who did this before long and the idea that there would not be massive repercussions for US relations if it was them is fanciful. Whoever did this, it was a ludicrously irresponsible, dangerous and self-defeating act - and well who does that sound more like?
Nope they are both ghouls.
Are the Russian FSB/GRU more credible you think?
And why would it even be reported in the news if it wasnt
They seem to predict Russias invasion of Ukraine though
Yes the cia are a very credible organisation you have me there anyone willing to adress points?
For what did Russia detain leased aircraft thereby destroying their commercial airline industry at a cost of billions?
They have demonstrated time and time again they are capable of 'Mind boggling' actions contrary to their own long term interests.
Then why would CIA warn Germany a few weeks before i wonder?
It is actually mindboggling that people here cannot or dont wont to see it was usa.
Firstly biden is on record saying ns2 would not go ahead
Secondly niland said similar.
Russia destroys years of work and billions of dollars for what???
Loses levarage on turning gas on again
Russia can just turn tap off completly why on earth blow it up.
Usa did this
To block any negotions or back sliding in eu economies desperate for energy.
Usa now can supply eu with more lnb and dictate policy
Any protests now well go for it no going back now its fubarred for good.
Geo politically take eu further away from russia.
Finally it is a beyond a rectless act that pushes us much closer to all out war.
Remember bo listening in on merkel?
Some ally freezing eu citizens to death this winter...
I am sure thats as valid as their referendums
About the sham referendums in Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk, etc, The reported 98 or 99% voting "Yes" indicates that the Russian authorities are hopeless at propaganda. Results like this are totally incredible, especially given the context. Was it Robert Kennedy who said that not matter how reasonable the proposal you will always find at least 15% disagreeing?
All I have seen so far are the ridiculous Y/N percentages. How many voted? what was the % turnout? (Of course the presupposes there was an electoral register). How many of the population were displaced, whether to Russia or the West?
While the referendums were a total farce and completely illegitimate, questions like these should be asked, even if only to put the Russians on the spot (they will probably produce more lies and nonsense in their defence)
Yep.
I just do not see what advantage there is to Russia to damage the gas pipelines, yet I wouldn’t be surprised if they were in fact behind it. I would also be suspicious of the US who have been opposed to Russian gas supplying the EU for a long time. Whoever did it is creating a serious escalation - dangerous move.
Russian hospitality is well known
Posted this yesterday,it's a great video something we've not seen in this war
Waterford Whispers always delivers. 😁
Pretty much this. In pretty much all societies the vast majority tacitly go with the flow, whatever that flow is. Until something massively upsets that flow. If this site were around in 1935 Germany the majority would be backing the government and any who didn't would be denounced, or ignored. Human nature. It takes a lot to change the flow.
Those who don't support putin or have issues with how their country is doing things are more likely to stay quiet, or fall back on "our enemies are out to get us"(which governments, especially martial ones play on), or quite simply leave. And a fair few have, especially since the war kicked off and now with mobilisation. Russia already has a bad demographics problem which this conflict will worsen.
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Lol don’t you worry about my “blind assumptions”, I like observing human behaviour and I’ll be just fine.
Ruzzkis, however, … ;)
I dont get your frustration. Don't recall we were actually inviting a ruSSian bot to discuss anything. You decided to join anyway and now you seem to be p1ssed we dont play your game?
Wrecking the gaff so if someone else takes power they have a massive mountain to climb to get back to a functioning state. As far as the current regime is concerned these ties are already cut and done with.
Please don't make this many blind assumptions, if you do ever decide to engage in a high level game of chess.
Exactly what is he/she looking for? 15 rubles per post as promissed by Ragozin. 😁
Doesn't it get Gazprom off the hook for Billions in fines now though or something?
Nate
Rest in Peace ➕
Can't see Russia being so accommodating for Ukrainian prisoner's:-
Would anyone like to wager a guess on what is likely to happen when the Ukraine army pushes into the Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, or as the Kremlin likes to called them "Russia" ? I know there are expectations of the war quietening down as winter sets in, but surely we're near a tipping point now ?
Unless putin has decided bargaining time is over, this is now a war with Europe and the US/NATO, so I'll blow the two pipelines as a final act of "negotiation". Now both the US and the Russians have been denying and pointing the finger at each other, but nobody's being close to certain and "official" yet, or it's not gone public.
Still it's all very odd, serves pretty much nobody and escalates things even more. It's at times like this that simple mistakes on one side or the other can get very real, very quickly and escalate beyond the initial battlefield and get much worse.
I don't think it is approachable at present.
They're leaving Kaliningrad for Germany.
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