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jmreire · 26-09-2022 12:12PM

The message needs to be loud, clear and unambiguous. Mr Putin, you were the one who introduced the possible use of nuclear weapons, and that was at the very beginning of the war, so be advised the subject is open for discussion on all sides, including ( and especially) the ramifications / response to a first strike. Ball is in your court Mr. Putin.

cnocbui · 26-09-2022 12:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119665902#Comment_119665902

Kuwait has never been in NATO.

"Worth noting: The U.S. also has troops stationed in 10 non-NATO countries for peacekeeping and other cooperation missions.

They include Kosovo (800), Cyprus (100) and the potential future NATO members of Sweden (10) and Finland (5)."

So, I don't agree with you and it was always a possibility. Did you know the US has been trainng and exercising with Ukrainian pilots for years? Nothing would have been simpler than for the US to put troops in Ukraine for 'friendly joint exercise' it's happened many times previosly.

US Marines withdrew tanks and weapons from storage caves in secret locations in Norway and brought them to southern Finland last month. Once there, they fired tank guns and other weaponry alongside the Finnish army as part of an annual training exercise called Arrow 18.

The drills took place from May 7 to May 18 and involved around 150 armoured vehicles and 300 other military vehicles. Only 30 marines took part, but they were joined by thousands of personnel from Finland and Norway.

https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/15579-us-marines-move-tanks-from-secret-caves-in-norway-to-finland.html

briany · 26-09-2022 12:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119666176#Comment_119666176

China has argued that Tibet, the Uyghurs, Hong Kong and Taiwan are internal matters, and China are never going to realistically do anything on India beyond border skirmishes, given they both possess nukes. I know the Taiwan thing is highly contentious - most other countries don't recognise the claim - but China has not yet acted on their threats, despite their posturing.

However, the point was that China did not become a power through threats against other countries, even if it hasn't been without sin in that regard. It became a power through putting its head down and transforming its economy into a powerful machine and becoming sort of indispensable to the West, given how much of what we use is now made there. If Russia wants to occupy the place on the world stage it thinks it does, that's the kind of thing it should do, rather than this militaristic nonsense. It's a dead end.

josip · 26-09-2022 12:18PM

Although unlikely, I think it would be best if Russia disintegrated, depriving the indifferent Muscovites of their source of wealth from the east. There would be the safeguarding of the nukes question. But leaving them in place in the various republics can't work out any worse than what happened the last time when they were repatriated to Russia.

weisses · 26-09-2022 12:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119665977#Comment_119665977

And you found that out only now ??

Gatling · 26-09-2022 12:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119666138#Comment_119666138

Might be busy calling for thread locks and fake news in other threads🤣🤣🤣🤣

jmreire · 26-09-2022 12:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119665427#Comment_119665427

And rightly so!!! It's the ambiguity which is causing the problems. Crystal clear, black and white no nonsense statements are what's needed. Putin and his advisors need to be left in no doubt whatsoever what happens if they launch a nuclear / biological weapons strike.

Raoul Duke III · 26-09-2022 12:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119666168#Comment_119666168

I still think it would have been incredibly risky to put US troops into Ukraine (as opposed to actual NATO member states) and I don't recall seeing any US or international commentators suggesting it.

Raoul Duke III · 26-09-2022 12:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119666254#Comment_119666254

totally agree, they are dooming themselves to being a larger version of North Korea, if they are not already there

cnocbui · 26-09-2022 12:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119665946#Comment_119665946

I would say the madman in question is likely to be Putin or one of his ex-KGB entourage. The apartment bombings in Moscow, theater hostage taking and Beslan school massacre were all most likely false flag operations by the KGB/FSB. This is almost certainly the same.

Look how evil people who oppose mobilisation are - you don't want to be on their side, do you?

rogber · 26-09-2022 12:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119665946#Comment_119665946

Yes that's awful, no matter where it happens. There are plenty of idiots on this thread who think the only good Russian is a dead Russian, but whoever's behind this no kids deserve to experience that

Furze99 · 26-09-2022 12:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119665977#Comment_119665977

What will be instructive to see is just who and even if, what other independent states recognise the status of these 'referendums'.

There'll be a great degree of wariness I think, even China and India will likely baulk at it. North Korea probably will and some of the 'Stans' possibly.

But otherwise they'll be meaningless. We may as well have a referendum now in the Republic and lay claim to the Six Counties and then demand them. International law doesn't work like that and all will know that these 'referendums' are merely a tool of war & Russian propaganda.

Furze99 · 26-09-2022 12:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119666280#Comment_119666280

It's unlikely that NATO would put support troops on the ground in Ukraine, the Ukrainian army seems capable enough. But NATO could deliver devastating destruction to Russian military resources using electronic warfare, airpower and seapower.

EOQRTL · 26-09-2022 12:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119666315#Comment_119666315

Of course they are meaninglessness, only an idiot would think otherwise but i don't think it matters a jot to Putin as he's living in his own little altered reality bubble of delusion.

cnocbui · 26-09-2022 12:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119666280#Comment_119666280

But if Putin responds by using another nuclear weapon, “you take off the gloves the second time around” and perhaps destroy Russia’s military forces in Ukraine, which the United States could readily do with conventional weapons. Perry realizes that these escalations would be approaching the kind of Dr. Strangelove scenarios that Herman Kahn wrote about. But if we end up fighting a war with Russia, that would be Putin’s choice, not ours.

There are no low risk scenarios or responses to this conflict. Macron tried that and got slapped in the face and was made to look like a fool for his efforts, as Putin made a lie of almost everything Macron said about those exchanges. We are closer to nuclear weapons being used than at any time since the Cuban missile crisis. Putin has never responded favourably to pacifism or weakness.

Raoul Duke III · 26-09-2022 12:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119666339#Comment_119666339

Yes...as long as they are Ukrainians manning said resources, which have been donated to Ukraine.

I presume you are not advocating actual NATO forces attacking Russia directly. Because that would be crazy.

Hobgoblin11 · 26-09-2022 12:39PM

https://twitter.com/hochu_dodomu/status/1574308045869486081

Missile strike at Chulakivka of Kherson region

zv2 · 26-09-2022 12:44PM

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Raoul Duke III · 26-09-2022 12:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119666362#Comment_119666362

A nuclear scenario would be completely different.

Just to be clear, my comments are in the context of the current conventional warfare scenario.

Gatling · 26-09-2022 12:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119666280#Comment_119666280

But yet for the last 8 years there has been US and Nato troops regularly in Ukraine, whether it be in training/advisor roles of for joint forces exercises right up until the invasion

gandalf · 26-09-2022 01:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119665577#Comment_119665577

I highly doubt the Americans will nuke Russia if Putin resorts to use a WMD in the Ukraine. I would expect it would be more likely that they unleash their airforce to destroy all Russian forces on Ukrainian territory.

Again you are deflecting from a country that HAS broken international law, whose forces ARE carrying out war crimes on a mass scale. These days given communications options available their population are aware of what is happening in their name. They are guilty by silence and association.

Imho they are scum the only form of life lower than them are those living in the west making excuses/deflecting for them.

greenpilot · 26-09-2022 01:12PM

Important Aviation News:

Apologies in advance. This is a long one, but of extreme interest.

We are witnessing an extraordinary mobilisation of NATO air assets across Europe at the moment. From Belfast, right over and up to Finland, everything from f-16's to Turkish Airforce SIGNIT 737's are currently airborne. To break it down, Here is an overview of ONLY military aircraft ( and just the ones with transponders switched on) airborne over Europe right now:

Let's have a quick look at some of the assets:

Above: 2 x Canadian C-130j's are leaving Belfast.

Above: A flight of F-16's, probably outfitted for SEAD, is leaving UK airspace.

Above: one of many KC-135 on fueling operations.

Above: A second flight of F-16s currently airborne.

Above, here you can see a cluster of Kc-135's airborne over Europe.

Above, one of many USAF C-17's currently on the move.

Above: Almost every ELINT and SIGNIT ( intelligence-gathering) platform in the NATO arsenal is now airborne over Europe. That alone is extraordinary. From Swedish AF Gulfstream monitoring Kaliningrad to a Turkish AF ELINT 737 up near the Baltic Sea.

Above, here we see a very rare Turkish AF Early Warning aircraft on its way towards Kaliningrad.

I would highly recommend watching the skies over Europe over the next day or so and listening in to the various LiveATC streams covering the airspace over and around Polish Airspace.

TheValeyard · 26-09-2022 01:14PM

@greenpilot

What you think is up so?

Gatling · 26-09-2022 01:19PM

No official nato exercises due this week ,

Something to watch

EOQRTL · 26-09-2022 01:20PM

Really doesn't feel good tbh. Just get the vibe Europe is on the brink of something unthinkable only a few short months ago.

Gatling · 26-09-2022 01:24PM

@greenpilot Here another one in from brize

This is odd

gandalf · 26-09-2022 01:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119666567#Comment_119666567

Tbh we crossed that brink on the 24th of February when Russia illegally invaded Ukraine.

DrumSteve · 26-09-2022 01:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119666567#Comment_119666567

Oddly enough, I think this sort of action helps to mitigate; NATO can't sit on its hands while the Russians **** around.

They need to know that the first sniff NATO gets of any WMD movement, they are going to get lit up like a Christmas tree.

greenpilot · 26-09-2022 01:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119666540#Comment_119666540

I think NATO has decided to move the chess pieces. Notice that:

1. Air-refuelling asset operations have increased exponentially. Which means they are supporting an equal amount of fighter jets who have their transponders off. You can equate the position of a KC-135 to a flight of fighters or other similar assets.

2. AWAC flights and SIGNIT flights, all with transponders active, have increased, and is a clear sign to Putin, especially after Bidens remarks, that all eyes are on Russia's movements and that NATO means business.

3. There is an increase in Dutch, German and British Airbus A320 series aircraft. Equate this to mean troop and cargo movements.

It's all designed to speak a certain language to Putin. The language of "we're ready".

My thoughts.

cnocbui · 26-09-2022 01:27PM

Looks like Twitter has responded to Chinese pressure and has deleted Jennifer Zeng's account. She broke the story alleging that Xi Jinping had been arrested.

No wonder: https://www.indiatoday.in/news-analysis/story/someone-out-there-doesnt-like-twitter-accounts-critical-of-china-1720221-2020-09-09

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