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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,858 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    No way will these forced draftees fight , they will deflect to Ukrainian side for sure, 300k more soldiers for Ukraine.

    The ultimate face palm for Putin, can't wait to see it .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I can only imagine what they are going to feel when shells and Ukrainian drones and tank start hitting them ,

    Terror is the only word I'd use



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Wibbs I understand your position and under other circumstances I'd agree with you.

    However this is involving a nation that has and is interfering with European politics, which has ignored international law an initially annexed another sovereign nations territory, initially carried out a "proxy" war and then invaded them earlier this year. It has committed war crimes and breached law governing pows.

    Until the regime falls we should not be hosting their representatives here at all. At the very minimum we should expel most of the 28 staff and let them have 5 like our representatives in Moscow. Again personally I believe we should shut our Embassy down, bring our people home and turf the lot of them out. With Putin's regime there should be no grey areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Just before the surrender of the Azoztal

    aidan aslin aka cossack gundi recorded this video explaining that dire situation,not long after this and the handing over to so called Separatists only to be tortured , stabbed and starved and then publicly sentenced to death,

    Freed the other day.

    Honestly feel so emotional watching this you can see and hear the fear in his eyes and voice,




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    I know, I know, I know. Some on on here will have a fit when they see another link to CNN. - slaps my own wrist- bad boy Dan, bad boy.

    Ukraine and Kyiv have out smarted Putin and Russia. Makes sense when you think about the way Putin is currently behaving.

    Dan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭eire4


    I totally agree with you. At a minimum they should lose all but the same number of staff as we have in Moscow. But personally I would be all for kicking them out altogether and closing their embassy and as you say turning it over to house Ukrainian refugees. Russia may not be directly attacking us but housing the Ukrainian refugees as well as the massive spike in food and energy prices is costing us economically very large sums of money likely to be in the billions when its all said and done and all as a direct result of Russia's actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,842 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Can Manic or someone explain what it would be like to be inside a tank when hit by a missile like that. How much of a difference does reactive armour make? Are there burst ear drums, g-forces, shock waves, ptsd, ? In Irish terms, I'd imagine that even if you did survive unscathed, that you'd be 'fierce shook' after something like that.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    When it comes to nukes, it's all hollow talk.

    If they retaliated by nuking Moscow and St. Petersberg, they might as well be dropping nukes on their own cities like New York and Los Angeles at the same time. Because that's exactly what would happen.

    Any threats the US can make towards Russia with regards to nuclear weapons, Russia can make exactly the same counter threats. So they cancel each other out as a threat.

    Does America really want to lose places like New York, Los Angeles or Chicago in exchange for trying to protect Ukraine? Highly unlikely. Your average American citizen doesn't value Ukraine enough to make that sacrifice. And neither does their government, despite their attempts at tough talk. It's M.A.D talk.

    When M.A.D talk is real, we won't be hearing from these people. They'll be securely in their bunkers deep under ground, and we'll be witnessing the greatest fireworks show mankind has ever produced. (for a few brief seconds before we're toast)

    It's actually deeply immature and insecure talk from the Americans if I'm being honest. Just because one guy is waving around his nukes, doesn't mean you have to copy him. It smacks of desperation, because they can't control what's happening in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    The only ones I hear talking about nukes is Russia. Every single bloody day on their primetime tv propaganda shows. They threaten us with obliteration. You would nearly think they are the only ones with nukes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    Well, he said nothing about using nukes. There is no need to use them to punish the Russians. Your man on Sky News mentioned NATO boots on the ground but I don't know if this is what he was talking about in that clip.

    ...

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    And there I respectfully disagree with you. Our supposed neutrality is just a meaningless fig leaf that we wave around in a display of virtue signalling. We do this from the relative comfort of our position on the west coast of Europe and hiding behind the skirts of the UK and USA on either side. It's a national self delusion and meant nothing in the last great European conflict when we were 'neutral' on the side of the Allies.

    So I believe our Taoiseach was quite right to stand up and state that Russia is now a rogue state, even if it was at a meeting of a body that has shown itself to have fundamental flaws when it comes to managing a 'big rogue state'.

    At some point this conflict will end and that point has been set by Ukraine as when Russian troops are removed from all the territory that is recognised internationally as Ukraine.

    We don't need a Russian embassy here for this, we are part of the EU and have already established that we'll follow what the EU decides collectively in these matters. Let them be gone and good riddance. Or at the very least as suggested, reduced to bare min of ambassador, cook & secretary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    And the main amplifiers here of the threat are all pro Russian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Lol if it's immature for the Americans to threaten to respond to a WMD attack on Ukraine what is the repeated threats from Putin, other politicians and state sponsored TV personalities of nuclear assault on numerous countries. In fact is it mature for one nation to attack another sovereign nation under false pretences, I don't think it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,069 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Of course you do. Because the only thing that counters the threat of nukes are nukes.

    The US nuclear guarantee applied to Europe during the Cold War even then it didnt mean US citizens valued German cities same as their own.

    There is nothing immature about it.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Yes they are horrendous. The Ukrainians are losing about 100 troops a day while the Orcs are losing 366. But a significant difference is that the Ukrainians seem more focused on saving and protecting their personnel as a priority.

    Earlier I was doing some research, wondering how a certain donated vehicle was performing, and the driver of one said:

    '‘If we had more vehicles like this, we would save more lives – and the lives of our soldiers are the most important thing.’"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,349 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I don't believe the US or any of Ukraine's backers ever threatened Russia with nuclear weapons.

    e.g. this article about what may/may not have been said to Russia (in response to...Russia's reckless nuclear sabre rattling let's not forget).

    My thought would be they are probably telling Russia that if they use such weapons anywhere, the opposite of NATO/US backing off in fear and leaving Ukraine to its fate will happen and they will involve themselves directly in the war. As we know, the big invasion isn't going well as it is, Putin pulling all kinds of desparate stunts to try and rescue the situation. I don't think Russia's military on tour in Ukraine + the Black Sea etc. will do so well if US/NATO unleashed its considerable air/sea power on them (big mobilisation or no mobilisation).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,509 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    If Russia detonated a small nuclear device in Ukraine, there would be no particular need for the West to respond in kind with a similar nuclear weapon - they have numerous ways they could respond strongly without having to resort to such drastic action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Thing about that is Putin would see that as a sign of weakness. What happens when he reaches for a second nuclear device maybe a bit bigger this time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,156 ✭✭✭✭briany


    What would you say a strong and effective western response would be to Russia detonating a small nuclear device in Ukraine that doesn't involve similar weaponry? I think a coordinated coup and synchronised assassination of Putin and his close advisors would be a good start.

    If Putin is genuinely crazy to let off any kind of nuclear weapon in Ukraine, we'd be in a pretty much unknown frontier of military engagement. NATO may threaten a conventional military response, but given the danger of deploying forces to a region that a madman had already let off one nuke in, unconventional solutions may have to be considered if similar retaliation is off the table.

    Anyway, I'm sure that U.S. intelligence has been working overtime to assess if Putin is bluffing or not. Do we know if the U.S. got anything in the way of portable hypersonic missile defence systems?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Russia may be threatening the use of nukes, but it's really the US who are acting irresponsibly here?

    That's the sort of insane non-logic I'd expect an Orc to use. You should be more careful with how obvious you are making things.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    That is what this thought provoking article conveys: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/russia-ukraine-nuclear-weapon-us-response/661315/

    It's deeply disturbing and only serves to increase my conviction that limited nuclear proliferation is probably the safest move, as counter intuitive as that may seem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The purpose of Irish neutrality is it's cheap. It's the ultimate cost saver - until it isn't. I don't believe there is any philosophical element to it.

    2% of the budget on defence - are you mad? How could we afford all those green initatives, like retrofitting social housing with solar panels, external insulation and heat pumps, to protect those poor dears at risk of fuel poverty living in houses other people bought for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,069 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭rogber


    I'm not a big fan of Martin but I was impressed with his speech. Rare to hear an Irish leader step out from the self congratulatory "oh we're neutral and that's why the whole world likes us and we have such clout on the international stage" approach and just call a spade a spade, attacking Russia not just for the war but the way it sabotages all sorts of other resolutions like on climate change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,399 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Things hotting up in Dagestan?

    Maybe even St.petersburg and moscow now as per thread below.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,509 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I think Putin firing a tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine would be a PR disaster for him. Detonating a nuclear weapon in a neighbouring Slavic country when he's not even at risk of being invaded - it would make him ten times the pariah he is now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭rogber


    I won't be putting a poster of him in my bedroom either and I think the UN is a joke.

    But at least he went on record and labelled Putin's Russia for what it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,509 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Fair play to the Dagestanis. I don't know a huge amount about that republic but they seem to have a load of bottle anyway - they're not taking Putin's threats and bullying lying down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭storker


    Zelensky has apparently addressed Russian soldiers in Russian to say that:

    • Ukraine will follow the rules regarding POWs
    • Ukraine will not broadcast information about who has surrendered
    • Ukraine will allow anyone to stay who doesn't want to return to Russia

    I suspect that those conscripts may need a lot of heavily-armed babysitters.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭Slava_Ukraine


    Good post. I'm off to have the proverbial. Jesus H C. Is this the best you can up with???



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    caN COME UP WITH?



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