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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,053 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Used to live there Rawr........and whatever you do, don't delay, or God Forbid actually cause any big black 4 x 4's travelling 2 or more vehicles to stop, and the occupants to get out to you.......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,728 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Melitopol is key to much of this I feel. If they can take back there, they'll probably break up that "Land Bridge" to Crimea.

    Crimea itself is a daunting objective. Historically it has been a nightmare to invade. The "Little Green Men" of 2014 was one of the very few examples of successful invasion there in modern times. The Nazies had to use some of their most destructive munitions over a very long and protracted battle to take the place during WWII.

    This all of course depends on the resolve of the Russians. Losing Crimea puts an end to their Black Sea fleet (what's left of it anyway). They'd have to build a new naval base from scratch in Sochi or near Rostoc, but all of that would be withing Javelin-range of a Ukrainian Crimea. They can't afford to lose it, but can they still put up enough of a fight to stop an invasion? That's what I wonder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,508 ✭✭✭zv2


    @Yurt2 "The truth is out there" - so is Putin.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    There are estimated 25,000 regular Russian troops in Kherson. Most of the army the Ukrainians took out in Kharkiv were conscripts a lot were from Luhansk. Here is an example of Ukrainian air superiority forced to fly under the radar. If they had air control it would make seizing Kherson much easier. You will also know they are changing the battle space using flooding to impede the Ukrainians supplies in the pocket they are building. Kherson is a knock down battle of attrition, the Ukrainians have already sapped a lot of men trying to take it.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,341 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Where does it mention in that article that the Kherson offensive has killed 4,000 Ukrainians?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Oh look team russia.

    So they supposedly have 25000 men in Kherson,they Lost 50,000 men in 7 months. How long does it take to remove a large number of that 25,000 ,oh and talks of russians surrendering enmass is still ongoing ,.


    So any thing to back up your claims



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    Putting aside the liberation of Kharkiv and just looking at Kherson counter offensive

    Ukrainians captured 450 sq km around Kherson alone in this offensive in last two weeks

    for comparison Russia only managed 450 sq km across whole front in July and August (remember Severodonetsk)

    But hey who needs facts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,494 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I'd love to see the figures of how much land the Russians took since the begining and how much they have lost. They must have lost at least a third at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    Attacking generally takes more casualties than defending. The terrain in Kherson is flat and open and the Russians had mapped out the areas in advance and successfully range in artillery strikes to devastating effect. (3 minutes in to the video below to get an idea). I have read other reports indicating the hospitals are full.


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,728 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I do hope that Russian surrender is for real and happens. For one, of course it's a less bloody way to win this fight that avoids needless death. Another things is that, although the Russian army is choc full of war criminals, I feel that there is also a good few Russian kids in there who are as much victims of Putin and don't want to be there. They'd be safer under Ukrainian custody for the duration.

    Finally, and more importantly, if Ukraine can be seen to be humane to their POWs; offering warmth, safety and a chance to call home to let the folks know you are ok...surrender might look like a decent option for those soon to face the Ukrainians. Might make the fight easier.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    That is Ukrainian propaganda to demoralise the enemy for the last two weeks. By in large the Russians are holding in Kherson, the Russian command does not have a choice, they need that canal from the Dnipro to Crimea. By the way, cutting off water to civilians is a war crime. The Ukrainians cut the water supply to Crimea since 2014.

    Under the provisions of the International Humanitarian Law, related to international armed conflicts[v] and non-international armed conflicts, it is prohibited “to attack, destroy, remove, or render useless objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population, such as foodstuffs, agricultural areas for the production of foodstuffs, crops, livestock, drinking water installations and supplies and irrigation works“. The Rome Statute[vi] of the International Criminal Court defines “intentionally starving civilians as a method of warfare by depriving them of the materials indispensable to their survival” a war crime.

    source

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,052 ✭✭✭Polar101


    So, to continue the analogy from the previous page - if the UK conquered Donegal and Ireland refused to provide water to the new Donegal People's Republic, would Ireland be committing a war crime?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,866 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,178 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    apologies if already posted, but......

    Russian Deaths.jpg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,494 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    And where in you're previous article is the 4000 dead Ukrainian troops? Is that the propaganda number?


    Ukraine's Kharkiv offensive certainly did not take more casualties than the Russians.

    On the Kherson front, that's more akin to a siege not a direct offensive. There's no major urgency as the Russians cannot effectively resupply, cannot charge forward and cannot flank. Grind them down so they surrender or swim!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Dear Cheerleader,

    Why would the Ukrainians rush in, all guns blazing, to Kherson when there may be negotiations ongoing with the Russians?

    The Russians may be using a dambusting strategy merely to gain time or leverage. Probably though, they're simply following orders for the time being.

    Possibly, the Kharkiv success is the "proof of consequence" while the Kherson situation is a "demonstration of restraint".

    Yours faithfully,

    Voice of Reason



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    "Ukrainian aviation conducted 12 air strikes at gatherings of Russian military. Ukrainian air defence shot down 3 Su-25 and a Su-24M, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭8mv


    I lived there also for a number of years but only drove once - for good reason. Around Belorussky Vokzal I could only go with the flow and hope for the best. It was a gamble.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The offensive in Kherson have been going on for months,and the main focus of the Kherson offensive was to draw russian reinforcements down from the Donbas/Kharkiv region in a deception to weaken the defence lines in Kharkiv.

    And once that happened,Ukraine went full attack in Kharkiv,and Kherson came to a halt,because the russian troops there are soon without supplies and ammo anyway, because all access,bridges,pontoon bridges and ferries have been taken out more or less.

    And all Ukraine have to do now is continue taking out access routes and supply lines in Kherson and wait it out.

    And offcourse there are casualties,but not as bad as the Russians thats retreating and on the run



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,358 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Was listening to an episode of BBC's Ukrainecast (think it was https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0cy4b04).

    Afair a person interviewed on this suggested this sort of thing may be happening more frequently due to pressures on these large Russian businesses, especially ones that were Western facing who are now cut off from that market through sanctions & the ongoing EU-Russia economic/energy warfare.

    As the squeeze comes on them there may be reversion to the viciousness that was present in the Yeltsin/early Putin "Mafia" era where these companies would struggle with each other and tactics like hits on rival executives/managers were not out of bounds.

    Of course some of them may even be suicides (imagine it is quite stressful watching your whole company business model & possibly large amounts of personal wealth going up in smoke for good, thanks to Putin's invasion).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,178 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...or maybe russia is bringing a whole new meaning to the term, 'managing out the door'!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    As a so-called anti-war advocate, you're doing a pretty bad job understanding your subject matter. Do some research on Russian AF limitations and tactics.

    A few points that you're conviently forgetting, or possibly are unaware of:

    1. Russia have never had control of the skies, from day one.

    2. Russia has NO AWACS in the Theatre. The two IL-76's that they had planned to use are still sitting on the tarmac in Belarus because they are afraid to use them in Ukrainian airspace due to Ukranian air defences. Russia, therefore, has no top-down realtime data on air movements.

    3. NATO have 11 AWACS/SIGNIT/JSTARS aircraft operating around Ukraine, with a reach that stretches well into Russian territory. Every Russian flight is tracked and that information fed back to Ukraine. Russian jets can only either fly Nap-of-the-earth ( where they succumb to MANPADS) or too high, where they give the game away. That video of the 2 x SU-25's following the road with the GoPro's strapped on is a promo video.

    4. Russian aircraft should be pounding the Ukranian offensive right now, with their hundreds of aircraft, but they're not. Why, because they are unable. Russian AF doctrine prevents it from providing Close Air Support to troops in a rapidly changing environment. This is where NATO excels, by the way. US air assets can conduct multi-role, multi-targeted strategic missions with a multitude of platforms all linked together with a secure data link. The Russians cannot do such a thing. That's why you only ever see Russian jets fly in pairs or, at a push, 3 jets while conducting operations. They simply do not have the training.

    5. As long as Ukranian troops KEEP MOVING, the Russian Airforce cannot touch them. Russian pilots are basically airborne artillery. Commanders on the ground pass on co-ordinates ( often old) to the pilots, and the pilots come along and bomb those co-ordinates. Doesn't work if your enemy keeps moving. SU-25 pilots do not have the independent hunting capabilities that A-10 pilots have. They're ( quite happily) restricted to just one mission at a time.

    6. Thank the Germans. Many of the Russian aircraft casualties of the last few days have been due to the German Gepard anti-aircraft guns.

    You see, I know you've read all of the above already, but choose to ignore it because the VIDEO YOU POSTED CAME FROM THE FORBES ARTICLE FROM WHICH I'M QUOTING!! lol.

    Anti-war?

    Anti-facts, more like it.

    But keep going, it's good craic reading it.



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Prigozhin,the man behind wagner group and Putins troll farms are recruting prisoners in Russia




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Some Aviation Sleuthing...

    1. First commercial flight out of Ukraine since last April! Flight occured last Tuesday, out of Lviv. You can see it appear just as it crosses the border, as they switch on their transponder.

    Screenshot_20220915-130735_Flightradar24.jpg

    Polish Air assets are conducting a lot of mapping and surveying right up to the border all along its approaches. Preparing for something, maybe? Who knows.

    Screenshot_20220915-130542_Flightradar24.jpg

    Private company Draken Europe are currently training AWACS personnel aboard a Dassault 50 South of Moldova. Where better to train.

    Screenshot_20220915-130132_Flightradar24.jpg

    ...and an EP-3 Orion is back on station.

    In fact, there are a lot of air assets operational at the moment.

    Screenshot_20220915-130303_Flightradar24.jpg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Ah come now that's tin foil hat stuff. You are better than that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,053 ✭✭✭jmreire


    No, you are right. And especially if there was any history of mental instability or nervousness in the family, it could bring it out in you. I drove quite a lot in the various republics, which were not as hectic as in Moscow, but equally as dangerous, and even more so, as they can travel a bit faster, and vodka as a side dish at every meal was common practice. and if you were driving for any length of time, you would see loads of examples of dangerous driving, and that's in the summer......winter is a whole new ball game. I know people whop have adapted to it very well, but for the newcomer......be careful out there!!!!!



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