F1 2022-Round 16 - Monza : Italian GP

Just have a NASCAR style with green, white, chequer. So you get two laps regardless of what's happening on the track and there's no rush, safety-wise, to try get the track cleared towards. And then everyone knows they'll be in a racing end chance, drivers can go get new tyres or try take up a better race position but be vulnerable on the restart. But refuelling might be a problem if it over runs.

I watched it en espanol where the bias was obviously different but neither favoured Verstappen or hamilton. It's been years since I've watched F1 but the MSC hoarding suggests its audience are of a certain vintage.

Another issue was they waited until Max had passed the pitlane before deploying the safety car which meant a lap was lost waiting for him to come back around and then they picked up Russell instead and wasted 2 more laps sorting that out. It was a complete farce.

Hope leclerc and Perez dnf the next race so the "championship" as exciting as it was will be over, and we won't have to listen to the piss poor attempts of the media saying there is still a chance for Charles or Perez. It's been over since Barcelona I wish the media copped that sooner too 🤣

He said we can't keep looking to the past referring to Abu Dhabi. He's getting terrible abuse on social media from toxic Hamilton fans at the moment.

How is that bad? He's right like...

This has been a common issue all season, any time there is any kind of incident they seem to spend 30+ seconds deciding whether or not to throw a SC or VSC or yellows. They were the same with the earlier Vettel incident and it’s happened time and again this year.

Once the decision was made though I don’t think it was incorrect for it to pick up Russell - the priority is to bunch up the field as quickly as possible to create a gap for the cherry picker can get out on circuit and waving through everyone until Verstappen arrives would just slow that.

Ultimately the reality was that there simply wasn’t enough time - people keep comparing this to Abu Dhabi but in that case there were more laps remaining, the lap was longer which allowed more time, the incident was easier to clear with no requirement for a cherry picker to come on track as the car was parked by a service road, and the field were bunched up much more quickly, all of which meant there was easily enough time to restart there while there simply wasn’t at Monza.

Given the way the British media lost their minds at the fact that they dared go back racing at Abu Dhabi when there was comfortably enough time to do so, why was there such an expectation that they’d manage to get back racing in much tighter circumstances with less time available in this instance?

It does feel like they should change the rules to the last ten laps = red flag or something like that, as any kind of nuance over how long it takes to clear an incident and the actual details of what happens get lost to the conspiracy theorists, the disingenuous hot takes and the toxic discourse parts of the media encourage, so maybe they should just remove any and all possible ambiguity.

How is it, every time there's a boring race, the default thread filler is bashing Hamilton fans? 🤦‍♂️

Lewis started 19th finished 5th only 2 places behind Russel who started 2nd, think Lewis will be round for a while yet and deservedly so.

There's a whole 3 weeks to Singapore, feels like another season break. Verstappen only needs three wins but he could win the title at Singapore if Leclerc finishes 9th or lower, Checo 4th or lower and Russell 2nd or lower

Because they are an absolute disgrace across social media. The vile abuse thrown at Hannah Schmitz last week was disgusting, this week they are after Karun. TBH the toxic element of the Hamilton fanbase are a stain on F1.

De Vries did o.k. but he needed to do something exceptional, so failed the audition in my view.

He got a Williams into the points, what more could he have done?

Surely a wind up? Qualified p13 on merit, started, p8 due to penalties and kept Zhou behind him all race and was chasing down gasly all race. Granted, he was in a DRS train but impressive all the same. Think a very impressive part was him being on a black and white flag for track limits and kept it between the lines after it even with knackered tyres and the pressure wason from Zhou too.

Your last point, I don't think they do have the machinery anymore. I think Red Bull have out developed them.

I'll be honest I thought last year was going to be a flash in the pan, Red Bull would need time to transition from Honda to "HRC" but Honda have stuck with them in everything but name and have dominated.

EDIT: Nevermind - discussed in the main thread!

I think it would have been safer to red flag it because of where Ricciardo parked the car. Putting the marshals and teleporter out of track probably wasn't the safest with cars still on track. The were going slow but if a driver happened to drop it, could have been a worse incident

I still think a safety car with stewards/cherry picker on track is a fairly dangerous situation one which could go wrong, sure the safety car is keeping the pace but they're still driving very fast. I think there was merit to red flag it Sunday.

Agreed! It’s about €5-10m per championship place vs a reported €30m brought in by Latifi (his family own Lavazza coffee). So as much as I loved watching DeVries on Sunday, if those numbers are in anyway accurate, it just doesn’t make financial sense to make that change at this point in the season.

They also own the Sofina food company which is the largest in Canada I think, and probably a load of other stuff. I thought Latifi would be paying more than 30 mil a year for that seat.

There are also prize rewards in $ after each race per point scored, no? If so they would have to be factored in too.

Ultimately it's like someone in soccer winning league 2 by signing lionel messi and cristiano ronaldo. Yes they are better players than what you have but the best you can do is win league 2 and that won't recompense enough money to make up for the signings.