Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I am starting to think that is a bad idea that the Ukraine is getting Western Support, providing military aid I mean. Because all it seems to be doing is prolonging the war. Which means more innocent people die. The Ukraine are in a war they have not a hope of winning and Russia can just wait, due to its size and resources.

The war is going on since 2014 in some form or another. What is the end game of this 20 years of needless deaths? A year since the West bothered to take notice. But being hamstrung by the fuel crisis and a toothless EU means there are going to be negligible slow gains if any.

So what’s your suggestion?

Ukraine surrender and let Russia in to rape their wives, kids, and murder their family?

Seems a lot of Russian sympathisers out in force tonight.

Panic at the disco….

50,000 dead and counting.

tick tock tick tock

Yeap, pretty sick discos too Jingle, Did you see the disgusting display of a Ukrainian soldiers skull in a Moscow nightclub?

That Gormdubh is the kind is sickening savage behavior you are proposing to appease.

That is just a cliche nothing more. From the way see it the war is been artificially kept going by the Western Military aid of the Ukraine = more people die in the long run.

But the Western Countries cannot go in on Russia properly because it could lead to WW3, so there is a bit of catch 22. So the Western powers decided to go in with the half assed route. The same Western powers who basically helped create the climate that has enabled Putin control, and Putin paranoia over decades.'The West' has really f**ked up and now it is caught between a rock and a hard place.

Interesting that you took that I am a 'Russian sympatiser' out of my comment. Merely because I am saying what a folly Western Military Aid to the Ukraine is.

Basically it means more lives lost IMO except will be a slow drip drip effect over a long period. And the Western powers can do nothing but posture it is a really strange situation.

There should be intermediaries negotiating at this stage. Soft political power can save a lot more lives than military aid IMO in the long run. History has shown that constantly. Get a dialogue started through back channels etc. That would be real progress, I think.

Nope its the simple truth. Often the simple truth can be expressed in 1 or 2 words while an essay of shite, delusion, appeasement and false concern is nothing but a bag of lies.

This war is the result of Russian aggression and barbarity nothing else. Barbarity displayed in the form of mass murder, rape, peodophalia, ethnic cleansing, murder of POWs, torture and murder of Aid workers, castration, and display of human remains in nightclubs. It started in chechnya 3 decades ago and continues to today. It will continue for another 3 decades unless Russia and its appeasers are stopped by force.

But you are a ruSSian sympatiser...

"ThEy ShouLd StaRt neGoTiaTiOnS iMMeDiaTely"

Where the F*ck were you when russians were attacking Ukraine for the last 6 months? Now when they started taking back their country town by town, you want negotiations? Go back to your mother ruzzia

We all saw what the progress was like in areas where the Russians took control....murderous rapist evil barstewards.....and even worse. No thanks gormdubhgorm,,,supply Ukraine with even more weapons and materials, as quick as possible, enough to end the war completely. Thats the way to go to minimize the death and destruction, push the Russians out of Ukraine completely, inc Crimea and in such a way that they will never again even think of invading any other Country. Appeasement and deals are not even on the table, nor should they be ( unless you want Ukraine "denazication Mk 2 a few years or less down the road.)

I believe you might be very naïve. This is the most fantastic war America has ever had to fight. They haven't had to commit a single boot on the ground and by proxy they have their decades-old arch enemy committed to fighting in a tiny corner of Europe with all of their available piece-meal resources. This war was manor from heaven for the Yanks and they are going to prolong it to their advantage. Their whole armaments industry's order books are filling up. The likes of India who have been buying RU military hardware over the decades are going to have to switch suppliers now that they realise their military equipment is deficient compared to American suppled Pakistani purchases. The EU is going to have to finance military budgets in excesses of their spending on education on American hardware to meet their new NATO commitments. There's only going to be one winner after this military blunder.