Deleted my snarky remarks as poster has since been banned.
"ThEy ShouLd StaRt neGoTiaTiOnS iMMeDiaTely"
Where the F*ck were you when russians were attacking Ukraine for the last 6 months? Now when they started taking back their country town by town, you want negotiations? Go back to your mother ruzzia
However corrupt Ukraine is, toilet robbing russia is reaping what it's been sowing for decades in the West now and that in itself gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. I'd like to believe Ukraine will grab the opportunity to change and that we will help them after the war too, it'll be hard for them but not as hard as liberating their country.
Can’t figure out what you’re end game is.
If Ukraine is still as corrupt as you say, Zelensky would be dead months ago from within.
But you are a ruSSian sympatiser...
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Again I agree Wibbs, Ukraine was an incredibly corrupt country. I read of an Irish farmer who leased a farm sowed his crop and went out to find it had been harvested, police shrugged their shoulders. The point is much (not all) of this corruption was a result of Russian influence and domination. It was the choice of the Ukrainian people to assert their sovereignty and begin the arduous journey of reforming their country and moving away from the financial corruption imposed by Russia that lead to this point.
Oh yeah, That's a constant feature of Russian spin/beliefs. That Zelensky is a cocaine addict. In putin's pocket is another one. And in NATO's pocket. Yep... Shrodinger's Zelensky. One I heard was he has a huge property portfolio and rents out most of it to Russian oligarchs.
Personally I have more than a few issues with oul Zelensky before this shíte kicked off. He was 'progressive' enough for Ukraine, but that's a low bloody bar. Our collective amnesia can blind us to some of this now, but Ukraine was a well dodgy place. Corrupt as fúck. As I said earlier in the thread in a horrific way this war could, and should, be the saving of that nation for Ukrainians. The beady eye is on them like never before and if the movers and shakers in Ukraine want to leave Soviet thinking and corrupt criminal thinking behind and move forward as a great nation this bloody baptism is it. IMHO anyway.
Coke snorting Zelensky?????
As opposed to putin taking the entirety of Ukraine and stick in a puppet like he had before, because that's what he was after and is after. If the 'west' hadn't gotten involved that's what we'd be looking at. Another Belarus, with extra murder.
So what do you think through negotiations will make Russia stop??
Please tell me…
Nope its the simple truth. Often the simple truth can be expressed in 1 or 2 words while an essay of shite, delusion, appeasement and false concern is nothing but a bag of lies.
This war is the result of Russian aggression and barbarity nothing else. Barbarity displayed in the form of mass murder, rape, peodophalia, ethnic cleansing, murder of POWs, torture and murder of Aid workers, castration, and display of human remains in nightclubs. It started in chechnya 3 decades ago and continues to today. It will continue for another 3 decades unless Russia and its appeasers are stopped by force.
Ah yeah, go on, tell the uneducated Ukrainians what's best for them and their country. I'm sure they'll appreciate it. You should go and tell them in person.
Interesting that you took that I am a 'Russian sympatiser' out of my comment. Merely because I am saying what a folly Western Military Aid to the Ukraine is.
Basically it means more lives lost IMO except will be a slow drip drip effect over a long period. And the Western powers can do nothing but posture it is a really strange situation.
There should be intermediaries negotiating at this stage. Soft political power can save a lot more lives than military aid IMO in the long run. History has shown that constantly. Get a dialogue started through back channels etc. That would be real progress, I think.
Yup. Told ye above. This is how they're spinning it. That's the narrative. US/NATO is needing a win so coke sniffing Zelensky is trying to give it to them to keep support going. And it's believed just as fervently and consistently as the daftest utterances from the newly minted Slava Ukraine! crowd. And the 'One World Order/liberalism is perverting your children/World economic forum/Trump' types in the west lap this stuff up.
Ukraine is running out of soldiers. Russia is running out of bullets and shells. It'll be over by Christmas, or something...
Problem with this narrative is the US for example have now gone full on 'official' with this war/special military operation and have made it an actual campaign, with a general, staff, funding. They're in this for the medium haul at worst. And this is the US, the Amazon of war. The EU are moving away from reliance of putin's gas and oil. The sanctions that aren't hurting mother Russia clearly are as they're at pains to ask for their lifting in return for keeping the EU warm this winter. Russia has been hit with sanctions on a North Korean scale. China is happy to buy their oil and gas at firesale prices. They'll do little else for Mother Russia as economically Thailand alone is worth more to China in trade.
And it's interesting how there are so many losses and desertions in Kherson, yet the Russian lines haven't moved forward and this collapse in morale magically doesn't exist where Ukraine is speeding into Izyum, where Russian forces are/were also strong and defending the "republics" they recently invented, defended, supported and invaded. How does that work?
Look, the jig was up when Switzerland, those slithery in it for themselves, dangerous chocolate, cuckoo clock making, cow bell tosspots, only concerned about the ringing of greasy tills, who played both sides in WW2 and turned a blind eye to crimes against humanity of actual nazis, decided to move closer to NATO and the EU because of all this. That should have told putinists something.
That is just a cliche nothing more. From the way see it the war is been artificially kept going by the Western Military aid of the Ukraine = more people die in the long run.
But the Western Countries cannot go in on Russia properly because it could lead to WW3, so there is a bit of catch 22. So the Western powers decided to go in with the half assed route. The same Western powers who basically helped create the climate that has enabled Putin control, and Putin paranoia over decades.'The West' has really f**ked up and now it is caught between a rock and a hard place.
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Yeap, pretty sick discos too Jingle, Did you see the disgusting display of a Ukrainian soldiers skull in a Moscow nightclub?
That Gormdubh is the kind is sickening savage behavior you are proposing to appease.
So which city or town did you have to retreat from?
So what’s your suggestion?
Ukraine surrender and let Russia in to rape their wives, kids, and murder their family?
Seems a lot of Russian sympathisers out in force tonight.
Panic at the disco….
50,000 dead and counting.
tick tock tick tock
Victim blaming.
I am starting to think that is a bad idea that the Ukraine is getting Western Support, providing military aid I mean. Because all it seems to be doing is prolonging the war. Which means more innocent people die. The Ukraine are in a war they have not a hope of winning and Russia can just wait, due to its size and resources.
The war is going on since 2014 in some form or another. What is the end game of this 20 years of needless deaths? A year since the West bothered to take notice. But being hamstrung by the fuel crisis and a toothless EU means there are going to be negligible slow gains if any.
I realize that Wibbs, a colleague who was actually in that region before it kicked off in 2014, and afterwards warned me of exactly what you have said. " Don't believe all the pro Ukrainian talk you have heard and will continue to hear in the future he said...remember there are two sides to every story". And so it is. None the less, if the war continues to go in Ukraine's Favour, as it is presently , then I would not like to be one of the genuine separatists in a future Ukraine. Relocation to Russia might be the best option for them.
Absolutely. Ukraine should totally surrender now russia are losing. You've won me over.
Does not surprise me to see it in the banned list. Even its user name screams tin foil hat.
Although I am not certain I approve of your username either 😉
Maybe he suffered concussion after being thrown out a window
Putin say's a lot of things and most of it's complete tripe but yeah i do believe if the Ukrainian's enter Crimea it has the potential to end with a nuclear strike on Ukrainian territory.
Have you been drinking tonight?
That kinda thing has been brushed off entirely, or it's all "NATO propaganda". Reality distortion fields are interesting to observe, wherever you find them. The singular advantage to living in the 'West' is that there are too many eyes and voices and they can be seen and heard, so while it can be confusing, and too many just go with their own truth, something approaching the actual truth will eventually out.
True Jm, though it could also depend on the area involved. We can go back and forth as to the history and the whys and how they were co-opted, but Russian Separatists exist, especially in areas like Donbas and actually wanted Russia to come in. It's not nearly so one sided in such areas. Especially after the Russians did invade. Many Nationalists would have understandably fled, or were "relocated", or even worse, killed, so what remains might be a little less happy with events.
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