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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,488 ✭✭✭zv2


    Creating a false flag in case they need to blow it at a later stage?

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It's a little game being played across this and the thread in the politics forum .

    I always find it amusing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    You're right. It makes so much sense that the Russians, after fighting so hard to take Kherson, Melitopol, Crimean canal, Berdyansk, and all of Donbass so far, that they would instead irradiate it all by shelling a plant they are already in control over, and could simply continue to occupy and get electricity from.

    But no instead they are actively trying to throw away all this by shelling the plant with a goal to causing a nuclear incident?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭storker


    I think the answer is that it depends. It doesn't necessarily meant that there are another 71 Motor Rifle Regiments because some nations have in the past picked non-consecutive numbering to confuse the foreign intelligence about true strengths. I'd like to see an informed answer about this.

    Here's some historical trivia related to the subject...since the late 18th Century, France had two regiments of cavary called the 1st and 2nd Carabiniers. The uniform was blue surcoat with a bearskin hat, very like the Imperial Guard Horse Grenadiers that were to come later. Napoleon was so impressed with their battlefield performance in 1809 that he decided to "upgrade" them to armoured cavalry, called Cuirassiers, of which there were already 12 regiments. This did not go down well with the commanders of the carabinier regiments as there was status in having a low regimental number and they were damned if the 1st and 2nd Carabiniers were going to slide down the seniority ladder to become the 13th and 14th Cuirassiers. Napoleon squared the circle by allowing them to retain their regimental numbers and titles, but they were re-equipped with white coats instead of blue and brass cuirasses instead of the Cuirassiers' steel. Napoleon got his two additional regiments of armoured heavies, and the carabiniers kept their titles and seniority. Win-win.

    The British regiments of Dragoon Guards got their name in the late 1700s as the result of a similar argument. They had been equipped with armour (cuirass only) and were called "Regiments of Horse", but the powers that were decided they were too expensive and wanted them to be equipped as dragoon regiments (basically the same gear but minus the armour). The Horse Regiment commanders kicked up for the same reasons as the French carabiniers would 30-odd years later, and the solution was that henceforth, British heavy cavalry would consist only of dragoons, but some were called "Dragoon Guards". Again, both honour and the requirements of the high command were satisfied.

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    L-R: Pre-1810 Carabinier, Post-1810 Carabinier, Cuirassier



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Russians don't give a sh1t. They had ample time to move that stuff and couldn't be arsed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    Have you considered that this bunch of Russians sent to fight for dear leader are not the brightest specimens of humanity?

    They have already committed enough inhuman atrocities that will tar Russia for generations and ensure this war is lost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,488 ✭✭✭zv2


    Sure wasn't Lavrov himself caught near 10 Downing Street with a bottle of radioactive stuff in his hand just this morning? I'd pay no attention to that.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,488 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    As much as you believe that too be true it won't be. The war will eventually end and yes Russia will eventually lose and people will go back to dealing with Russia as usual for the love of money. Heck China is right now committing atrocities against Muslims and nobody really gives a hoot once they can get that electric bike off Ali Express for as cheap as possible.

    I guarantee you the same people who virtue signal with Ukrainian flags on their social media accounts will have moved onto the next flavour of the month by this time next year and won't care where their energy comes from as long as it's cheap.

    That's the reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I'll be sticking to Ukraine, been 8+ years now of posting in support of Ukraine.

    Don't buy Chinese for the majority of anything.


    But in slightly more interesting news Poland is sueing Germany for losses during WW2 they have estimated repatriations of 1.3 trillion is owed to them for damages inflicted on them,

    Germany bent over a barrel by putin and now others are joining the list to take a turn



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    That looks to be within territorial waters, so I strogly suspect it's friendly. Probably inspecting the fibre connections to the US and undoing any mischief that Russian 'survey' ship might have been engaged in recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,503 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Even if the war ends, there's no guarantee that Russia's pariah state status will be lifted, not whilst the tyrant remains in the Kremlin. One could imagine the sanctions, travel bans and sporting bans remaining in place for quite a few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Remember they are sailing two ships between us and the UK sailing at a steady 10 knots for most part,

    I'd say the sub posted is likely British (open to correction).



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,953 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    For the sake of clarifying the discussion on an academic basis (as it’s not likely to happen) it is worth observing that the UN Charter authorizes both peacekeeping operations, under Chapter VI, and peace enforcement operations under Chapter VII. The Irish mission in Congo wasn’t peacekeeping, it was peace enforcement. Other peace enforcement ops include Korea, as mentioned, and Iraq 1991. Lesser examples include Yugoslavia, Timor, and Somalia.

    The obvious practical difference is that in peacekeeping, both sides are willing to accept the UN as a neutral party, in peace enforcement, the UN is attempting to enforce a position on at least one side over its objections and bring it to heel.

    https://peacekeeping.un.org/en/terminology



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    East Timor and eiratrea were peace enforcement if I remember correctly?

    You already mentioned Timor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    The UN mission in Congo was a peacekeeping force that was drawn into military action while there. They weren't "peace enforcers" by definition until they had to be and if the situation had already been hot on the ground at the peacekeeping deployment stage, they wouldn't have intervened.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Love How many people on social media are claiming the Kherson counter attack has totally failed with ukraine suffering huge and catastrophic losses ,yet can't provide any evidence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Hopefully but im old enough to be a realistic. People do what's in their best interests, sure we are still using Russian oil and gas today.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    They're parroting the Russian Ministry of Defence. If they believe anything that crowd says (give its track record of spouting easily verifiable lies) then there is no hope for them.



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Russian ministry of lies,deception and misinformation?

    The Blyatstan ministry that claimed to have destroyed 44 himars even though only 20 have been delivered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Lot of bots on either side claiming they have made huge gains/pushbacks in Kherson. You'd want to be a right thick to believe anything coming out of there at the minute. Time will tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    Sure there's nothing but claims here about either side without evidence. That's the fuel for this entire thread.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bent over a barrel by Poland? How could Poland do that to Germany ha. Would you ever get a grip. Germany has already said it won’t be entertaining the circus.

    The guy who said that is like a mini Putin himself. He has said Germany is trying to turn the EU in the fourth reich and that gay people shouldn’t be allowed to be teachers. Here he is talking about Ireland a couple of years ago. Putin would be proud. ““Those who do not fight – and there are many examples in Europe – have lost,” Mr Kaczynski said.

    He claimed Ireland was an example of this and is now a “Catholic wilderness with rampant LGBT ideology”.

    He added: “I will not let us be defeated by…this threat to the very foundations of our civilisation.”

    They have “gay free” areas now in Poland as well lol

    There’s elections coming up soon and it’s just more bs from the polish government who love eu money but don’t want to follow the rules along with their bandit friends in Hungary.

    Poland packing the courts with political appointees and suppressing media freedom and pushing propaganda. Just because they support Ukraine(because they hate Russia) people have this distorted notion of them while their government actually has a lot of the same tactics as Putin when it comes press freedom etc but obviously nowhere near extreme as they wouldn’t get away with it.

    You constantly have people on this thread saying Poland etc will take over from France and Germany political as the main power after this war. God help us if they do because their government is a scummy pound shop version of Russia.

    Poland has fallen to its lowest ever position, 66th out of 180 countries, in the World Press Freedom Index. The result marks a fall of two places from last year’s ranking and is the seventh year running that Poland’s position has declined from its highest ever position of 18th in 2015.

    Reporters Without Borders, the NGO that compiles the index, classifies the situation in Poland as “problematic”, describing the country as an “illiberal democracy” where intense media polarisation is fuelled by suppression of independent journalism as the government has consolidated its control over public broadcasting and pursued a strategy of “re-Polonising” privately owned media.

    “After turning the public media into instruments of propaganda, the government has multiplied its attempts to change the editorial line of private media and control information on sensitive subjects.”

    The public media, however, especially the TVP public television network, have become government propaganda instruments.

    The government has also threatened the independence of private media, with a state-owned company purchasing 20 of 24 regional newspapers; TVN, the biggest independent media group, facing pressures by means of “politicised regulation and tailor-made legislation”; and “regular attacks” on “overly critical journalists” from members of the government.

    There have been increased verbal attacks on journalists and attempts to discourage those covering gender-related or LGBT+ issues, while blasphemy remains punishable by imprisonment, found RSF.

    It goes on and on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    There's been thousands of pieces of evidence posted since day one of the invasion, while many on here still denied Russia invaded ukraine because they didn't see any evidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The same Poland doing more for ukraine than Germany is .

    Imagine that copy and paste for nothing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    OK, but that's a straw man because I didn't say there hasn't been evidence shared here either.

    You yourself only shared a social media post today about an alleged evacuation of Zaporizhzhia with no evidence to back the claims.

    I'm sure it's normal to have allegations and reports without evidence in a situation like this, you rely on them as much as the people you're now giving out about.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You’re cheer leading a scummy mini version of Putin. Was just pointing that out to you incase you weren’t aware but seems like don’t care… and because others stating Poland etc will take over politically from France and Germany in Europe after this. Well if Poland and their ilk like Hungary do(they won’t) we’d be living in a mini Russia ourselves in Europe with their backward scummy ways.

    Seems propaganda, homophobic, free press denying monsters don’t bother you as long as they support Ukraine which is just hilarious as that’s what Ukraine is currently fighting against themselves. Hypocrisy much . Anyway doses galore.



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  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ukrainians and the West should not fall for Russian information operations portraying the Ukrainian counteroffensive in Kherson Oblast as having failed almost instantly or that depict Ukraine as a helpless puppet of Western masters for launching it at this time. The Russian Ministry of Defense began conducting an information operation to present Ukraine’s counteroffensive as decisively failed almost as soon as it was announced on August 29.

    Several prominent military bloggers—even bloggers who have historically been critical of the Kremlin—are promoting this message.Other milbloggers are additionally promoting the narrative that Ukraine’s Western handlers pushed Ukraine to launch the counteroffensive prematurely and/or too late for “political” reasons and because the West expected a counteroffensive. Kremlin media outlets have also centrally amplified allegations of civil-military conflict between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief Valerii Zaluzhnyi to bolster the narrative that Zelensky sought to conduct a counteroffensive for inappropriate political reasons whereas Zaluzhnyi assessed Ukrainian forces were not militarily prepared to do so.


    https://www.understandingwar.org/



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