Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

I think they did the right thing given the situation after initially making a mess of it. And then the Christmas thing was insane with us only a couple of months away from a vaccine.

As I said, nobody was locked in their house. You had the opportunity to get out and exercise. Only people I know who were upset were those who love drinking in pubs. We went walking all the time and met friends outside and maintained a safe distance. I found it very easy and almost everybody I know had no issues. I stayed in contact with my family and friends by phone and video chat.

Again, you could leave your home and go out for walks or runs in the fresh air.

Only thing you couldn't do was socialise in pubs etc. You could chat with friends by phone or video chat or arrange to meet them on a walk and have a chat in the fresh air.

Well, tell that to the thousands of people who are now (or will be) in the grave because we shut down the health service to people who badly needed it...or the people who depends on a myriad of other health supports that were shut down unnecessarily.

I hope you sleep well, I'm not going to engage with someone who thinks we didn't lock down hard enough!!

We had a limit on how far you could go. It was a bit restrictive but you could still leave your home and get fresh air, go for a walk or a run.

What happened in Italy caused panic worldwide. We reacted properly after initially not taking it serious enough and then the stupidity of opening up before Christmas. If you want to go check back before Christmas I predicted how much of an explosion in cases we would have because of the decision to open up before Christmas.

It was all about waiting for a vaccine. Talking about how it was okay for young people is ridiculous. It was a while before we knew that for certain and we didn't want it spreading either. A lot of young people these days live at home because it's impossible to buy a house.

I wanted to keep numbers down until we had a vaccine, if you call that insane then imo you are insane.

Have you facts to back up your claim that we'll have excess deaths for a couple of years?

Have you facts to back up your claim that only 200 people died from covid alone? Please post the facts and links to them or don't expect me to believe any of that.

I love to socialise, thing is I don't have a drink problem so I can socialise without going to a pub. You see when you don't need alcohol to socialise you can enjoy video chats and phone calls. The only people I heard complaining about lockdowns were those who like drinking in pubs.

I followed advice from well known medical institutes such as the Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins and University Hospital Zurich.

And one more thing, I don't watch Irish television and I don't really follow current affairs. I read what I choose to read.

The whole Covid response, the lockdowns, the vaccine passports, the hysteria, ISAG across all media telling complete lies, NPHET being given absolute power by our floundering politicians, our hospitals failing to treat people who needed treatment for anything that wasn’t Covid, schools being shut, sports being closed, older people being terrified into submission - is the most shameful, disgraceful period of the 21st Century in Ireland and the modern world. If there aren’t consequences to these very serious actions that were taken - who's to stop them happening again?! This wasn’t just limited to Ireland. But Ireland’s lockdown from March 2020-July 2020 and Autumn 2020 - Spring 2021 caused a huge amount of damage and lost lives that we will continue to see over the coming years if we’re given the information and it’s not censored. Ireland should NEVER sign up to the WHO treaty without a referendum with fair and impartial media reporting. I would hope Irish people who are this weekend remembering Michael Collins don’t just hand their hard fought rights and independence over to a Bill Gates funded agency, the WEF or other ‘global’ organisations that seem to represent massive corporations far far more than the little people.

I drank for years but walked away from it when I started a family. I know all about the pub life and it became clear to me that the majority of those that drink in pubs have a drink problem, I'd guess it's like 20% that don't. Alcohol is something we never look at as a serious problem in this country. It costs the country a fortune in sick days. It creates depression, fights, abuse, both verbal and physical, in the home. I had sick days and depression because of alcohol.

I didn't love lockdowns, it's just an attitude thing as in adjusting to the hand you are dealt. Same as working where there's a period where there's something you don't like but can do nothing about. You just have to get on with it.

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Very well put. 100% spot on but you forgot a few things. The sight of the army ‘escorting’ people to mandatory hotel quarantine. A sight I hope I never see again in this country. It’s a dark stain on this country.

also, the Gardaí doing roadblocks on the motorways delaying workers and those going to medical appointments for hours. We had to bring out little lad to Crumlin Children’s hospital. I had to drive as my wife has no car, she went into the hospital with my little lad while I stayed in the car with our 2 year old. The abuse and questioning that I got from our brave men blue was shocking and how dare that we all went in the car. I wish they were as brave tackling the violence in our towns and cities but i won’t hold my breath. Much easier to harass parents trying to care for a sick child. Plus delay us for nearly 2 hours with their stupid roadblock that day.

You also forgot the one sided media coverage especially RTE with Claire Byrne, George Lee etc and God forbid if anyone even dared to have an alternative view or opinion.

And having to show proof of vaccination or your medical details to get a meal or a drink. What the hell were those in power thinking at the time

You mean this New Zealand?

Covid-19 became the equal leading cause of death in New Zealand for the first time in July, overtaking stroke and drawing even with ischaemic heart disease as the country’s No 1 killer...

 Covid deaths made up almost 15% of deaths overall, referring to data analysis by the New Zealand Herald that compared confirmed Covid deaths against overall deaths in July. Baker said those deaths were likely a slight undercount, as some people would have died of Covid-19 without being tested.

“At the moment excess mortality in New Zealand is running at about 10% above normal, so that’s consistent with something in the order of 3,000 deaths a year from Covid-19,” he said. “It’s not quite at that level [of heart disease] but it’s above strokes and all the leading cancers.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/08/covid-becomes-equal-leading-cause-of-death-in-new-zealand-for-first-time

I’m not sure what you are trying to infer there. The media, or spin doctors as they should be called at this stage, are not a very reliable source of information. Everyone knows that at this stage. They cherry pick the data and publish only what is in line with the current narrative.

Interestingly however there are attempts to understand the phenomenon with some pointing fingers at the boosters:

“There is a close relationship between booster rollout and rising excess mortality. This relationship was not seen with the rollout of the original protocol vaccine doses. The age groups most likely to use boosters had 7–10 percentage point rises in excess mortality rates as boosters were rolled out while the age group that is mostly too young for boosters saw no rise in excess mortality. Instrumental variables estimates that exploit a plausible source of exogenous variation in the rate of administering booster doses suggest 16 excess deaths per 100,000 booster doses given, amounting to over 400 excess deaths from New Zealand’s booster rollout. Value of statistical life of these excess deaths is over $1.6 billion.”

Interestingly enough in UK they are already testing correlation between vaccines and excess deaths to prove/disprove the causal relationship.

It is too early to fully understand the excess deaths at the moment as there are many countries with their own specific circumstances that makes drawing conclusions right know difficult. The time is now to observe and investigate. It is only a begging.

The deaths in New Zealand are much lower than those in Hong Kong though, but still enough to show an effect in New Zealand's excess mortality.

So the hysteria in whatever form has left the real world and for quite some time now but yet this thread continues on 🤣

It was an absolute scam! Not Covid just the response to it!

It is not going to happen but I would love a proper independent enquiry into the lot of it even though I know it won`t happen because we do not do accountability in this country properly!

Worldwide hysteria courtesy of so called videos in China lads dropping in the street the hospitals being built in a few days. Never has such an episode angered me as much in my life. The media were derelict in their duty in this country to provide ALL facts not just a one sided hysterical driven narrative nightly. I know of older people who still haven`t ventured out such is their fear. RTE were a disgrace the fear pumped out daily aided and abetted by those running the HSE! I was sick of the sight of them and everyone that hung for dear life on their every word all of the time!

Posters have outlined some of the nonsense already. Some wanted the army on our streets for God sake! Then there was the episode with Dr. Houlihan on twitter talking about young people socializing next thing the boys in blue arrive! Leo going to a concert in the UK because he couldn`t attend one here said it all to me ffs! As for Nolan with his snakeoil nonsense preventing the use of Antigen testing! Apes on TV wanting to ban unvaccinated from shopping, sections of stores being closed off.

Any dissenting voices were ridiculed and cut off. Granny killers, Pat Kenny wanting to mask 2 year olds among other hysterical nonsense he came out with, platforms being given constantly to hysterics like something out of the twilight zone! Dr Glynn saying we were fine at Level 3 and Houlihan coming back a day or 2 later and wanting level 5 immediately! Not to mention the Christmas episode, human nature being what it is locking people down for months on end with promises of a bit of freedom during Christmas sure a dog with a mallet up his a*rse could see what would happen. We are a social species not mean to be in isolation and kept apart.

Not to mention the vaccines going from 100% effective against transmission to keeping everyone out of hospital. It has turned too political and to me has deeply damaged the medical profession, so called experts i.e. those who were front and centre in the media as well as our respect for government.

These people made life altering critical decisions that affected everybody for 2 years or more without any question and that cannot or should not go without proper scrutiny, good, bad or indifferent. We cannot allow something like to ever happen again without proper justification!