Can Sinn Fein fix the housing crisis or is it beyond them or anybody else?

letsbefair · 21-08-2022 07:24PM

The other thing for certain is you need a strong profitable private sector to pay for socialism. If their high taxes drive out mobile capital we will end up broke.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-08-2022 07:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502452#Comment_119502452

yup

ILoveYourVibes · 21-08-2022 07:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502446#Comment_119502446

lol...thing is though . OTHER COUNTRIES manage that. why can't we ?

letsbefair · 21-08-2022 07:38PM

Does anyone think any of our politicians has the ability to run a major building project? Eoin O’Broin is a very nice affable guy but I don’t think he knows how to build houses without employing builders to do it.

brokenangel · 21-08-2022 07:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502507#Comment_119502507

no a politicians job is not to build houses, or run a site etc

Thats why as far as I’m concerned the government hiring professional companies to do the job is the quickest and cheapest way to get houses available.

If we know anything about the Irish system once the government hires people, unions get involved etc and everything creaks to a standstill

Plus the costs of government pensions for thousands of workers would cripple the system, plus they would have to pay more to hire the builders from the private companies and with that drive up the cost of housing more

We have the right model, teh biggest way to reduce building costs is to stop the months/years the project get stuck in court with political parties plus locals making up non relevant excuses for stopping teh building

skimpydoo · 21-08-2022 08:02PM

Hey bitches, I'm back. Did you miss me?

Whilst I was away I have seen this thread dragged of topic. This thread is about wether SF or anybody else can fix the housing crisis. By anybody else I meant political parties that are not FF, FG or G and not and I repeat not County Councils who do not have enough sway as some people on here think they do.

Relax brah · 21-08-2022 08:05PM

They can’t even run an effective government up north. What makes you think they can do literally anything in a much larger republic? lol

brokenangel · 21-08-2022 08:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502594#Comment_119502594

The thread is not off topic.

Let me remind you that Sinn Fein ran a campaign, a successful one, to get the majority in DCC, after they got the majority Sinn Fein published on their website they would build houses in DCC. That was all SF. As I already posted that article was shared around a few times and suddenly got deleted by Sinn Fein

Im also interested why you made an excuse in teh first post, trying to make out Sinn Fein if they got into government they wouldn’t be able to fix housing because of the current one, this has been fired out a lot recently by Sinn Fein supporters. Maybe you can explain why? Thank you 👍

For Forks Sake · 21-08-2022 08:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500054#Comment_119500054

You're dealing with the sort of people who think "pay politicians less" is the solution to every problem in the country

skimpydoo · 21-08-2022 08:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502612#Comment_119502612

I didn't make an excuse I just asked can they or anybody else fix the housing crisis. I have no idea if they can fully fix it but I think they will do better than has been done in the last 11 years. But in saying doing better does not mean they will fix it. Fixing it means changes how we do things. No more looking after our mates and making sure everything is done by the book and built to close. I don't want a repeat of Mica or other building issues down the line do you?

The thread was off topic when it mentioned SF and their tax policies. Hopefully we can remain on point and be civil too.

Beasty · 21-08-2022 08:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502594#Comment_119502594

Actually no - you do not set the thread rules and I am ruling this thread is to discuss any party's approach to the crisis. And that extends to councils

"Anybody else" extends to anybody else, not who you think it should extend to

Brucie Bonus · 21-08-2022 08:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502306#Comment_119502306

They had the most seats of any single party for under 5 years. FF/FG had more combined and were in government.

Brucie Bonus · 21-08-2022 08:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502397#Comment_119502397

Youve a link for that that makes that comparison? Feel free not to answer.

You've gone from saying DCC has no power to claiming there were less eviction under SF. Brilliant, truly.

True, why vote in SF when FG/FF are giving away luxury D4 apartments to the same people.

By the by, a lot of the arrears are from rents that should have been raised previously being back dated, not non-payment.

brokenangel · 21-08-2022 08:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502716#Comment_119502716

Local elections was 2014, the government was FG and Labour.

The general election was 2016.

"Grasping at straws" is apt

So are you going to say FG and Labour as well???

hometruths · 21-08-2022 09:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500484#Comment_119500484

You are absolutely right re. landlords. There needs to be a way to incentivise smaller landlords to stay in the market. The sense I have is that the system is broken and part of that is legacy to the financial crisis (accidental landlords wanting to leave the market) but also low returns, but perhaps the balance of power has shifted too much towards the tenant?

Yep I would definitely shift a few things back towards landlords favour. Do away with rent caps for a start. And give landlord some teeth to deal with problem/no paying tenants.

Another thing I would propose is extend the rent a room relief tax free threshold to HAP tenancies and social housing leases.

So you can charge 14k a year rent for an apartment/house tax free. Charge 14,001 and you are taxed at your full rate.

This will help end the insane feedback loop that is HAP etc. Government pumps more money into HAP at market rates -> government setting higher floor for rents -> more people cannot afford rent as rents rise and require HAP assistance -> Government pumps more money into HAP at market rates.

Meanwhile the build to rent crowd are signing 25 year leases with he government at these "market rents" in the full knowledge that if the government was not there to pay them, the market cannot bear them.

It's total lunacy.

brokenangel · 21-08-2022 09:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502754#Comment_119502754

Would you prefer FG/FF not to give homes to people? is that what you are suggesting?

What does it matter if it is a D4 apartment if it gets a family off the street?

I never said anything about less evictions. I just pointed out it was one during the period from 2014...

FrancieBrady · 21-08-2022 09:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502716#Comment_119502716

Don't be asking FG/FF to take responsibility for anything Brucie, it's always somebody else's fault doncha know?

21-08-2022 09:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502815#Comment_119502815

You think the Government are responsible for the cost of buying a house?

ILoveYourVibes · 21-08-2022 09:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502815#Comment_119502815

FF and FG obv should share the brunt of the blame ...obviously. And yes there are many in society who don't want house prices to fall in fact most over the age of forty ..as they own houses. Catch 22.

Brucie Bonus · 21-08-2022 09:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502785#Comment_119502785

So no link. Just said for colour. No worries.

brokenangel · 21-08-2022 09:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502854#Comment_119502854

No seemingly it was the government fault for the poor performance of Sinn Fein in DCC, a government which hadn't even formed till 2016

Sinn Fein also seemed to also sell off the stock that DCC had while not replacing it. while in control of DCC

How many people wouldn't be homeless if Sinn fein led DCC didn't sell off their house?

https://dublininquirer.com/2019/03/20/council-owns-1-300-fewer-social-homes-than-four-years-ago

Look at the new build numbers, even with Covid after Sinn Fein got moved out

Programmes 2018 2019 2020 2021 Total

New Build – DCC 271 302 455 1,860 2,888

ILoveYourVibes · 21-08-2022 09:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502854#Comment_119502854

They are literally directly responsible for 40% of the price through taxation yes.

21-08-2022 10:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502897#Comment_119502897

Are the government responsible for the wage you receive, because you have to pay tax on it?

ILoveYourVibes · 21-08-2022 10:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119503138#Comment_119503138

Yes.

21-08-2022 10:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119503143#Comment_119503143

No

ILoveYourVibes · 21-08-2022 10:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119503158#Comment_119503158

fair nuff

ILoveYourVibes · 21-08-2022 10:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119502415#Comment_119502415

sure would agree if it can be done

riclad · 21-08-2022 10:31PM

By the way they knocked down all the towers in ballymun, replaced them with modern high spec 3 storey apartments about 10 years ago.theres no easy solution, increase height limits for apartments ,20 storeys , tax credits for landlords, tax credits to turn old offices into rental units, nothing to do with wasters, the problem is supply versus demand, no of houses avaidable is maybe 10 per cent of demand.sinn fein cant do anything that fianna gael cant do.the problem, is inflation,supply chain issues, lack of resources, shortage of builders, maybe more funds for social housing.say it costs 300k to build a house, next year it,ll cost 370. it,s getting worse high rents in citys mean employers have to pay higher wages to attract workers.Companys are not opening offices here because theres not basic rental accomodation avaidable. its having negative effects on the whole economy. if sinn fein get into power it,ll be in a coalition with fine gael, they dont have the votes to form a government, its easy to make promises about building houses when you are not in power .

Builders can only build whats allowed in the regulations re height insulation, energy effeciency .

the government could provide more funding for self build charitys

21-08-2022 10:31PM

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Income tax is on income earned. You are taxed after you earn it, if tax rate falls, your gross does not fall. The Government is not responsible for what your employer pays you, unless of course you are a Government employee, but that is a different matter.

There is no tax on the sale of a principal residence, and though taxation may play a part in the cost of building new homes, it is simplistic to say the Government is responsible for the price of a new home as it does not take into account all the other associated costs and market forces.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-08-2022 10:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119503179#Comment_119503179

But they impact greatly on your take home.

Which impacts how much you spend which impacts the economy which impacts your wages.

It impacts your overall wealth too.

Can Sinn Fein fix the housing crisis or is it beyond them or anybody else?

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