Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

is_that_so · 11-08-2022 08:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457192#Comment_119457192

Corporation tax, VAT and virtually full employment is paying for it and everything else. We currently do not need to borrow and do have the money for this and the money for building homes, we just don't have enough of the buildings yet. Dubious about the need for tax cuts myself but taxes can go up again. Every 1% we agree to give the PS, however, is €250m we have to pay every year, so it looks more like part of a strategy to limit pay rises.

_Kaiser_ · 11-08-2022 08:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457303#Comment_119457303

Europe is NOT at war. Ukraine is involved in a conflict with Russia where they are more than holding their own. NATO is not involved and there are no foreign troops involved in the fighting, nor have any declarations of war against Russia been made by those other countries.

I don't get what is so difficult to understand about that.

Boggles · 11-08-2022 09:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457315#Comment_119457315

So there is no war happening in Europe, Ukraine and Russia are involved in a skirmish, a heated exchange of views over land borders.

I think we will have to leave it there.

_Kaiser_ · 11-08-2022 09:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457328#Comment_119457328

Are European/NATO troops actively involved in the fighting?

Are Russian armies and their other forces attacking other countries?

Have EU/European nations declared war against Russia?

If the answer to the above is no - which it is - then Europe is not at war, and no war is happening in Europe. The fighting is in fact restricted to a proportionally limited area of Ukraine.

Those are the facts. I don't see what the issue is.

maninasia · 11-08-2022 09:13AM

Get back to the core problem in Ireland.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/how-generation-rent-are-facing-rocketing-costs-and-evictions-41903999.html

Boggles · 11-08-2022 09:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457341#Comment_119457341

no war is happening in Europe

Cool. I did ask you to just hang around the fringes of reality, but you quite obviously are refusing to.

You believe what you want, feather your reality good and snug. 👍️

_Kaiser_ · 11-08-2022 09:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457376#Comment_119457376

Oh I get the point you're fixated on - you are trying to make out that because Ukraine is part of the European landmass, that Europe is at war.

But "Europe" isn't just land or a single political entity, and as such the problem with his comments are that Ukraine isn't in the EU, and the EU, NATO or other European countries have not declared war, and he has no remit or authority to suggest otherwise.

Boggles · 11-08-2022 09:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457402#Comment_119457402

Oh okay, so Ukraine is in Europe but "no war is happening in Europe".

No one mentioned the EU or NATO why you keep bringing it up is weird.

Like I said your reality is "no war is happening in Europe".

You enjoy that reality. 👍️

_Kaiser_ · 11-08-2022 09:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457417#Comment_119457417

Keep reading the rest of the post.. answers lie within.

Boggles · 11-08-2022 09:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457426#Comment_119457426

Ukraine is part of the European landmass

no war is happening in Europe

"Answers"! 🙄

timmyntc · 11-08-2022 09:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457440#Comment_119457440

The majority of Europe are not at war, only 2 countries are, both on the periphery and neither a member of the EU or any other associated organisations.

It is misleading to claim Europe is at war, there is a war on the edge of Europe, but Europe as a whole is still vast majority not at war with anyone.

The last time Europe was at war was in the 40s when the majority of countries were embroiled in massive conflict. This is not anywhere in the same league as the situation back then. Ireland is not at war. Germany is not at war. France is not at war. Spain, Italy, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Poland, Romania, etc - all not at war. Mental gymnastics in the extreme to suggest any different.

_Kaiser_ · 11-08-2022 09:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457469#Comment_119457469

It's pedantry in the extreme. That and the name-calling are common responses when there's nothing else to offer but a refusal to let it go.

Boggles · 11-08-2022 09:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457469#Comment_119457469

The majority of Europe are not at war,

Who claimed they were?

“Europe is at war. There’s a terrible war happening on our continent".

That is a 100% factual statement that has been labelled an "incendiary lie".

Boggles · 11-08-2022 09:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457503#Comment_119457503

It's pedantry in the extreme.

Ukraine is part of the European landmass

no war is happening in Europe.

Are facts pedantic? I can see why they may be a hindrance to certain individuals alright. But pedantic, nope.

Patrick2010 · 11-08-2022 09:58AM

Theres a war going on at the edge of Europe = 100% true.

Europe is not at war, no war in England,France, Germany, Spain etc etc so Europe is definitely not at war. Time to agree to disagree and move on?

Subzero3 · 11-08-2022 10:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457328#Comment_119457328

I bet you have a Zelinski photo on your wall. Where the Pope and JFK used to be. We are not at war. Europe was not at war when the troubles NI were happening. You are delusional on the matter and talking nonsense.

Boggles · 11-08-2022 10:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457582#Comment_119457582

Elvis then the Pope.

One eyed Jack · 11-08-2022 10:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457426#Comment_119457426

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457503#Comment_119457503

You don’t think it’s pedantic to take what Leo actually said, out of context, and point out that actually no, Europe is not at war?

Asked what the government is doing to secure housing and rooms for those who will be moved out in the coming weeks, Mr Varadkar said it is “looking at all options”.

“We shouldn’t lose sight of the bigger picture here,” Mr Varadkar added.

“Europe is at war. There’s a terrible war happening on our continent.

“Five million Ukrainians have been displaced from their homes.

“That’s roughly the entire population of the state and they’ve now been dispersed across Europe, and roughly 1% of them have come to Ireland.

“There isn’t a country in Europe that had 50,000 or 100,000 vacant properties in case of war happened.

“That’s just not how the world works.

“We’re doing the best we can to accommodate people as best we can in all sorts of different settings, whether it’s rented accommodation, whether it’s hotels and B&Bs, whether it’s modular accommodation, or whether it’s in people’s homes, and that’s what we’ll continue to do.”

Subzero3 · 11-08-2022 10:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457634#Comment_119457634

If that's not how the world work's why are we not doing it for Yemeni people who are in a far far worse situation then a % of Ukrainians. If that's not how is works as u say. BS from Leo.

TaurenDruid · 11-08-2022 10:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119455254#Comment_119455254

What I'm seeing, in actual news reports and in the locality:

* Student accommodation being used by Ukrainians over the summer. RTÉ reporting that the Red Cross and local authorities will be moving the 3,000 people thus accommodated to alternative accommodation, including the use of tents in Gormanstown, before it's needed by students in a month or so's time.

* Owners of buildings built to be used as student accommodation going "Jaysus, we can make much more from long-term lettings, let's do that."

* Communities coming together over the spring and summer to help newly-arrived Ukrainians with immediate short-term needs, and a real sense of community growing out of it.

Is it perfect? Hell no. Is it better than doing nothing, like we did when Jews sought refuge here in WW2? Hell yes.

One eyed Jack · 11-08-2022 10:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457679#Comment_119457679

Again though, you’re taking what Leo said out of context. The context in which he said that’s not how the world works, was in reference to the fact that there isn’t a country in Europe that had 50,000 or 100,000 vacant properties in case of war happened -

“There isn’t a country in Europe that had 50,000 or 100,000 vacant properties in case of war happened.

“That’s just not how the world works.

I’m assuming you’ve done everything within your power for the people of Yemen since you bring them up, and you’re totally not just doing so by way of suggesting that anyone who is doing anything for the people of Ukraine is a massive hypocrite?

You hardly need to be told that’s just not how the world works?

Subzero3 · 11-08-2022 10:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457737#Comment_119457737

I care as much for Yemeni as I do for Ukrianinans. Yemeni people are not here begging or getting my tax.

One eyed Jack · 11-08-2022 10:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457751#Comment_119457751

Good for you, not so good for Yemeni or Ukrainians I guess when it appears you were only using Yemeni to suggest we shouldn’t be supporting Ukrainians either.

You can probably guess what I’m thinking already 😂

Subzero3 · 11-08-2022 11:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457771#Comment_119457771

What ever RTE or Twitter push it's people like you that blindly support it, wave a flag as if your making a difference. Ukrianinans are just whats currently been pushed and the usuall sheep lap it up.

One eyed Jack · 11-08-2022 12:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457912#Comment_119457912

You say that like it’s a bad thing? 🤔

It would never occur to you of course that were it not for people highlighting the issue in the first place, neither Twitter nor RTE nor politicians like Leo would be commenting on the issue, let alone raising it to the level where it gains international attention across the hundreds of tv channels, streaming services and websites I have access to, that I don’t need to go about waving a silly little flag, nor am I dependent upon just RTE or Twitter to be informed about issues which have an impact on the global economy (Jesus that IS a scary thought! 😂).

No, there are plenty more issues besides; it just so happens that THIS particular thread is concerned with Ukrainian refugees in Ireland. It’s really not as though anyone is limited to only address one issue at a time, or they can choose to ignore them, as you appear to be more in favour of doing lest you be called names like sheep… oooh, wouldn’t that be awful?

I don’t want to be called a sheep so I’d better do nothing to help anyone else too… because that’s the way the world works, right?

As if 🙄

Strumms · 11-08-2022 12:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457219#Comment_119457219

Europe is not ‘at’ war, …

to suggest it is , is intimating that the EU is in a war… Leo, true to form, just shît stirring…lies. Getting a hard on for being a pontificating busy body, saying things to get a reaction and headlines..

there is a war between two countries on the periphery of Europe… Europe isn’t at war… Ukraine are not even in the EU….. The use of the word ‘at’… nahhhhh, bs.

TaurenDruid · 11-08-2022 12:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457402#Comment_119457402

Russia has annexed Crimea. Russia has attempted to annex the entire Donbas region. Russia has invaded Ukraine, and is attacking civilian targets across the country - and not just limited to the Donbas region, no matter how often that lie is repeated here. Ukrainian refugees are fleeing across the border to seek refuge in the EU. EU countries near Russia and Belarus are increasing their defenses, because they're fearful of further expansionist invasions by Russia. EU countries and the UK are providing material, weapons and other aid to Ukraine in levels not seen since World War 2. Previously unaligned and neutral countries have decided enough is enough, and have applied for NATO membership.

But yes, technically, Europe is not at war.

Technically, Europe was not at war when Germany annexed Austria in 1938. Technically, Europe was not at war when Germany annexed the Sudetenland, later in 1938.

How did that end?

Strumms · 11-08-2022 12:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457724#Comment_119457724

They are not going to leave people in tents into October / November / December …tents might be for a couple of weeks… a staging location.

modular homes would seem like a sensible option…. But I’d say you’ll end up having the government hoovering up houses and apartments that are on the market and giving them to the Ukrainian people to stay in…leaving the country broke as fück, inflating the prices in remaining housing market……

there are multiple wars ongoing on this planet…. We can’t live our lives trying to always be solving problems for other people meanwhile creating problems and negatively impacting the wellbeing of taxpayers

TaurenDruid · 11-08-2022 12:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119455328#Comment_119455328

We haven't taken 200,000 refugees. We haven't taken 100,000. We've taken circa 40,000 refugees, so yes, you're out by a factor of over 2. We may take more. But as shown by someone else on here, the numbers leaving Ukraine have been falling off.

Yes, fighting is concentrated in the southeast, but you appear to have willfully ignored the news reports I posted, which - if you look at a map - shows that no, the attacks are not limited to the southeast, with rocket and missile attacks on towns and cities in central Ukraine, too. Including shelling adjacent to a nuclear power plant.

I don't know what's hard to understand about "The 1.45 million who have "gone to Russia" didn't do so voluntarily", but I'm well aware of news reports about involuntary transport of Ukrainians, so damn **** sure I do know that to say it:

* https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/04/hundreds-of-ukrainians-forcibly-deported-to-russia-say-mariupol-women

* https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thousands-of-ukrainians-moved-to-russia-by-invading-troops-r65flnbwn

* https://apnews.com/article/Ukraine-Russia-refugees-Mariupol-war-investigation-31880d51ae29818b6c3b04156aae38d5

* https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60894142

Granted, yes, some of those thousands may have been "voluntary" because they're pro-Russian 🙄

I doubt that's the case for the children separated from their parents, though:

* https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/7/1/ukraines-missing-children-2#:~:text=Ukraine%27s%20President%20Volodymyr%20Zelenskyy%20said,separated%20from%20families%2C%20he%20said.

* https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-news-russia-war-kyiv-says-moscow-kidnapping-children/

* https://uacrisis.org/en/ukraine-in-flames-90

* https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/14/ukraine-kidnaped-children-russia/

But sure. Go on defending Russia.

One eyed Jack · 11-08-2022 12:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119458303#Comment_119458303

there are multiple wars ongoing on this planet…. We can’t live our lives trying to always be solving problems for other people meanwhile creating problems and negatively impacting the wellbeing of taxpayers

I don’t think anyone’s trying to do that though, nor are they intending to create problems or negatively impact the wellbeing of taxpayers. That’d be down to decisions made at Government level, and I’m absolutely certain they aren’t in the business of making decisions that negatively impact themselves as taxpayers.

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