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Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    Leaving the merits of the project aside there are going to be signifcant traffic issues with this diversion. It might not be apparent immediately given school holidays and annual leave season but it will happen eventually as we move into Autumn/Winter when car volumes increase as the weather gets worse.

    Firstly while Ballybough Road isn't as busy as North Strand it does carry a significant amount of traffic so pushing all of the North Strand traffic onto it as well will hugely test its capacity.

    Secondly Fairview Strand is generally quite clogged in the mornings already without now having to take all of the North Strand traffic. The light sequences at Edges Corner, Philipsburgh Avenue and Richmond Road are going to have to be looked at otherwise traffic is just going to pile back into Fairview and beyond. However I bet no thought has been put into trying to work out sequencing to give more throughput of traffic from Fairview which will be necessary.

    Finally for traffic which then wants to get back onto Amiens Street at the Five Lamps there is no right-turn filter (to the best of my knowledge) at the Portland Row junction so the increased amount of cars trying to do that may cause further congestion around there as well.

    As a semi-regular bus commuter on this route from the Malahide Road I will be interested to see if bus times into the city do improve as a result of these changes. Personally I don't think they will because there are very few places on the route where traffic interferes that much with the inbound bus lane and the works will do nothing to resolve the outbound issue that happens with the Malahide Road only being one lane outbound until you reach Clonliffe Road.



  • Posts: 4,575 [Deleted User]


    You were immediately dismissive of mine.

    If public transport and getting around this city was as easy and carefree as apparently it is for your elderly mother, then blue badges wouldn't be necessary.

    Stay classy yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,774 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,774 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Big LOLs. As if 'Paschal' gives a f u c k.

    If driving a private car around Dublin, or anywhere else, is important to you, you seem to missing an important point.

    You are on the wrong side of history.

    Private cars (whether ICE or EV) are the past. If you (or anyone else) were designing a city today, you would not build it around private cars. Nor would you upgrade it around cars, like near-sighted planners did 40 or 50 years ago, despite obvious warnings like the 70s oil crisis. Why would you? (That would be just stupid and anachronistic).

    Ask yourself how you would design transport today, with all that we now know.

    Don't be an ass.



  • Posts: 15,077 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    "nice try questioning her disabilities" says the fella that implied exactly the same thing to the post he quoted.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,782 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    If you plot the route on Google maps you will get real time (colour coded) congestion information. It'll colour the roads orange through red to deep red depending on how slowly it's moving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,798 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Just to add that you need the traffic filter to be on for this to display



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,782 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    seems to be on by default for me, if you choose the car as the transport mode, on both android app, and desktop browser.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,798 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    This is following the exact same pattern as with every other major infrastructure project in the city:

    DART Upgrade - people complained about weekend closures

    LUAS construction - people complained (remember Noelle Campbell Sharp?)

    Bus lanes introduced - people complained

    Unfortunately one cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs. People don’t like change (especially retail businesses, as most are run on tight margins), but then when construction is completed and the project works, suddenly it’s brilliant!

    There is always going to be disruption of one form or another if you are making major infrastructure changes, and yes some businesses may be adversely affected, but we have to get this city moving again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭getoutadodge


    "Would you prefer that Dublin has no new infrastructure built? People complain all the time about Irish water and the wastage in the system because of the old network. This project is improving the water infrastructure in this area. It is also improving the bus lane infrastructure. Its not just a cycle lane. What is your alternate proposal?""

    Exactly. Look at the Shannon pipeline furore...."omg the Shannon will run dry because of the dreaded Dubs" bullshit or the inability to pedestrianise city centre streets. In my neighbourhood a DCC plan to put in trees on a certain road was stymied by the a few residents since it might interfere with their precious two car driveways. Nimbys are part of the delay in blocking the completion of the Royal Canal Greenway etc etc. Go any sunny day to the Bull Wall bridge and look at the antics of the car zombies trying to get to the very edge of the water. Every school entrance is a racing pit lane twice a day. Walking, not to mention cycling, is for losers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,934 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    All points are valid. NIMBY is held up as a bad word but let's be honest, things only really matter when they actually affect you or yours.

    But you will always inconvenience somebody to make improvements. Personally i just think Dublin city centre is a $hit show on a grand scale planning wise.

    We've stadia in there, houses, social housing/tower cesspits and all serviced by broken PT.

    We need a relocation of the entire city similar to that Simpsons episode where they move the entire town 200 miles down the road after they thrash it.



  • Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭ Salvatore Nutritious Penniless


    If they where building houses and needed to do the same with the road you'd still have people moaning.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,779 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    We've stadia in there, houses, social housing/tower cesspits and all serviced by broken PT.

    The bus network in Dublin has its problems and particularly suffers on the south side from a lack of dedicated corridors at times, but I would disagree with the premise that it is "broken".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,041 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Is there anywhere in Dublin City where public transport is 25 minute walk away? Perhaps the centre of the phoenix park?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,524 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I didn't quote you, reference or mention you in any way. My post had nothing to do with you. Stop taking offence, being offensive and misrepresenting me. I'll leave it at that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,368 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    The amount of outraged residents and counsellors in the coming weeks will be a thing to behold. Will the no private cars into town thing be enforced does anyone know? What's to stop people just driving anyway?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,235 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    The bus network suffers from a lack diverse routes. Most buses just pile into the city centre and finish there. Try getting a bus from Fairview to baggot street. It's about the same time as walking and twice as long as cycling. They've started to improve the routes but for such a small city it shows the poor planning we've seen up to now.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    Revised road markings have been laid down on Fairview Strand, and the Luke Kelly bridge. Seems designed to enhance traffic throughput going southbound, but it won't achieve much if people still want to stop their cars at the Chinese takeaway or the pharmacies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,041 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Agree the h spine finishing in Talbot St is a disaster. Should have been extended to Merrion Sq to give some decent connectivity



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  • Posts: 5,121 [Deleted User]


    People will still drive down the bus lane. Just like people drive down the whole bus lane on roads like Con Colbert road when they’re backed up. But once in a while I’d hope there’d be a Garda presence

    Edit: I mean when the road is backed up. Not when the people are backed up and maybe dashing for the toilet



  • Posts: 4,575 [Deleted User]


    You replied to my post, and were immediately dismissive, making some counter argument about my having a blue badge with your elderly sick mother who you say also has a blue badge (for a debilitating illness) yet uses public transport.

    All well and good, if she is able too, like I said, I'd wonder about her eligibility for a blue badge if that's the case, but it is not the same for all blue badge holders.

    You all like to pretend that these schemes will make things better for everyone, when in fact, that is not true for all.

    But that goes against the narrative so you just dismiss it, out of hand.

    So I'll leave you there.



  • Posts: 4,575 [Deleted User]


    It doesn't matter how close it is, if you have mobility issues. That is the point of a blue badge. Many people cannot walk for 25 minutes, or even 10 minutes.

    Haven't been to the Phoenix Park in a long time, and won't be in the future, as there is no or limited parking there any more. Inaccessible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,368 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    lol there are thousands of parking spaces in the Phoenix Park. Drama queen.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,782 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    you are making a statement about the amount of parking there is now, in a place you 'haven't been to in a long time'. keep it up, more parking spaces for everyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,154 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Screenshot 2022-08-05 at 11.33.49.png

    Poor Marty.



  • Posts: 4,575 [Deleted User]


    That's the spirit, magicbastarder.

    All-inclusive as always.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,041 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    So you concede that there is no such place 25mins from PT, ok. The park is full of car parks but if you don't wanna go, that's fine. Other than the parallel parking on the main avenue, there's been no reduction in parking and a disabled person couldn't feasibly park there anyway.



  • Posts: 4,575 [Deleted User]


    All the eligibility criteria is on the DDA or IWA websites.

    The point is, it's not possible for some people to walk some distance to public transport links, then "walk around town" when they get there, which was the smart-assed post I originally replied too.

    Some people genuinely seem unable to see beyond themselves to the difficulties other people have, instead resort to being dismissive when it's brought up or throwing insults like "drama queen".

    I hope life keeps fine for them.

    Now excuse me, currently at physio, and I'm next.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,779 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    BusConnects does a lot to fix that though. And yes it has problems, but I still reject the notion that it is **** or broken.



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